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Is this another one of his powers? And if he did transfer current peter's mind into Jesse's body, where's Jesse's mind and the current peter's body? and how did he teleport matt all the way to africa? Future peter has some scary powers…

i have no idea how future peter could put present peter in another person's body. he must have used "Teleportation" or something.

It's probably an evolved form of what Hiro can do, being able to teleport someone else to different locations, even someone's consciousness.

At first I thought it was the ability of Connie from the Novels, the woman who could change people's appearances. But it didn't look like Present-Peter had any of his powers, so I started thinking that it might have to do with the whole Niki/Jessica/Gina/Tracy situation…

ya the thing that really bothers me is what happened to real Jesse? Did future peter just like temporarily get rid of him so present peter could be in his body?… cuz that dosnt seem very fair. we havnt seen a present peter body so unless jesse is in that body i have no idea

i think that perhaps future peter has a type of astral projection type of ability that works with a person body and can transfer the entire body into other objects.

i think thats an evolution of Hiros power ! Everyones powers develop somewhat, and that power is way too strong and strange to be a power on its own, which makes me think its an evolution to the teleporting power.

Sounds like a matt power to me, since it involves the mind and everything about it

Maybe he absorbed future Matts power. Maybe he can do that in the future

Peter seems to have a power to transport himself into another's body and relocate that person's soul/mind into another.

Remember 4 years is a long time, and he could have even more cooler abilities.

yeah i also thought it was something to do with matt's power. maybe he can cross reference powers ? lol

i believed it was just a development on matt's power. perhaps matt's power evolved so that it could enable peter to switch minds since it's under mind influence too. so jesse is now loitering somewhere in peter's body or maybe just kept somewhere by future peter. An exaggeration would be practically melding peter's body into that of jesse's with peter's mind being dominant.far-fetched but hey, it's a new power. Lol.

Again, i don't think that there is any link whatsoever between Matt's ability and Future Peter putting Present Peter into Jesse's body. I believe that it is simply a new power. IT was the writer's giving us a taste of the new power's of Future Peter and at the same time lining up an interesting plotline for the present peter. The power seems t be like an astral projection type power with physical properties connected to the consciousness ones. In other words instead of just removing a person's consciousness and placing it in someone else the body of the person goes along with it. a totally new power.

I find it really unlikely that future Peter would put Jesse's mind in present Peter's body. Jesse was one of the 12 super dangerous villains they were keeping locked up, and pretty much no matter what present Peter has stronger and better abilities than Jesse did. Putting a murderous villain in a stronger body than before seems to be a bad way of keeping his brother from getting into mischief.

Can't it be two different powers?

He obviously has the power to transport people's bodies as he did with Matt. The other power is the ability to transfer people's consciousness into new bodies. He transferred Peter's mind into a new body because if he just transported "present" Peter intact, then "present" Peter could just come back and interfere. So he zapped "present" Peter's mind out of the body, and probably put the body somewhere safe until he was ready to put him back together.

maybe HE's in present peter's body…

I'm thinking that the ability that Future Peter used on Matt was almost definately an evolved form of Hiro's ability. Remember Hope from Season 1? When she shot at Hiro and Ando, and Hiro made the timestream ONLY AROUND THE BULLET AND GUN go backwards, causing the gun to "backfire". Hiro and Ando both had their eyes closed, so neither of them saw what happened, explaining why Hiro still doesn't know he can do this. If he can play around with time over a selected item/person, who's to say he can't selectively teleport?

Here is another odd theory. Maybe future peter did something to his body and he is now using present peter's body and then put present peter's consciousness into jesse's body, and then used matt's power to keep jesse's consciousness from surfacing. Like what nicole said just drawn out.

Or maybe Future Peter somehow got ahold of Candice's power through Sylar (which we know something like that must have happened – he disguised himself as Present Peter) and made Present Peter look like Jesse, and made Jesse look like Present Peter. Then he swapped the body placement through his selective teleportation.

that is way too much of the stretch.

Is it?

yeah, it really is, man

Yeah, I know, I'm just bored. My theories that I actually put some thought into get their own topics, but I just write stuff here. It's really only got one stretch in it, though, and that's the whole exhibiting more control over Candice's abilities thing.

and the triple displacement of people, consciousness, and locations, lol. but i hear u. i've checked some of the other stuffs too.

Triple displacement? I count duple, Present Peter and Jesse. And Future Peter has already exhibited the ability to both change appearances (Candice's ability), and selectively teleport (I'm assuming Hiro's ability).

i mean there are three ppl involved each becoming a different character.

Troy, Sylar never got Candice's power. I think Kring said that, because Sylar was infected with the virus and none of his powers worked, he wasn't able to acquire her ability. It was lost. However, if truth be told, Peter most likely found another human that had that ability and acquired it from them. The writers have already made it abundantly clear that abilities can, and will, be reused. And four years is a long time, I'm sure that he found someone that had it.

As to how the hell he put present Peter in Jesse…? Hell, I don't know that one. That does sound like a Matt power, though. But now the questions remain: Where's Peter's body, and where's Jesse's consciousness?

For all we know peter could be walking down the street and runs into another person who has the ability to do such powers like transfering minds and all. It's just like when he ran into the invicible man. Peter just absorbs anyones powers that he is around. Hard to imagine that peter can't stop the villians in angela's dream. maybe powers do evolve or they just find different ways of using their power.

Maybe peter is still in his own body…

Future peter could have just changed peter's appearance with candice's power?

Though that does beg the question of where jesse is but hey – who knows!

Maybe I'm just saying based on the name of one of the last episodes this volume "Our Father" it is a new ability, taht of Arthur Paterilli, who may be alive and would explain why Future peter has it

All right, I want to start by saying that I think I remember seeing something about this before on here. If I did, I apologize now for copying the same board, I just couldn’t find it. lol

Anyway, I think I have a theory about Niki/Jessica/Gina/Tracy. As much as I hate to admit it, the whole cloning issue might be true. I think that, perhaps, all of these clones were created with different powers as an attempt of genetic experimentation. Perhaps Zimmerman was a Company scientist or something. I think that Niki might have just been a faulty clone, as she was tapping into the personalities of Jessica and Gina. But, again, that is just a theory. I don’t like admitting that the cloning theory might be right, but it might make a little sense…

wait who is gina

Gina was the personality of Niki’s that was introduced for one episode in season two. She’s the one that caused Niki to run off to LA and, ultimately, got DL killed. It was in Four Months Ago.

I hope not, cloning in heroes it sounds extremely weird, and it must be weird if its in heroes.

so what would nikki’s power be?

That makes some sense.

To clear things up, I know there was some confusion about it.. did Nikki ever use super strength? Or did she only use super strength when she was Jessica?

I think Zimmerman might have the power to clone, or something like that, and he was experimenting with giving powers to the different clones he created. Zimmerman was part of the company, wasn’t he? I thought I remember reading somewhere on here that he was one of the original twelve, but I could be wrong. So, if he was part of the company, he would have had the means to give powers, like Mohinder discovered.

If cloning is correct, Nikki may have been the original, and that is why she had a personality disorder.

Don’t forget about Barbara, the name Dr. Zimmerman called Tracy Strauss when he opened his door.

what if someone put nikki and gina together like Peter and Jesse? 2 People in 1?
one of them always loses and the other one gets controle? I think the cloneing could be true… i read somewhere some of the cast had/have 2 jobs… ? maby 2 roles?

i like the theory of Zimmerman being able to clone people. it would be kinda cool if we knew who Nikkis mom was.

Firsst of all who’s tracy and whos zimmerman?

Nikki, Jessica, and Gina ALL had super-strength. They shared a body that had that power, and they each had their own mind. I think Zimmerman cloned Nikki and Tracy from Barbra.

Oh, and for clarification, Zimmerman is the doctor that helped in the birth of Nikki (Micah’s mom who was super strong from season’s 1 and 2), and also Tracy, who has Ice powers. She LOOKS exactly like Nikki, probably because they were both cloned from somebody. Tracy works for the Senate and helped Nathan (Peter’s brother) get a position in the Senate. She went to see Dr. Zimmerman to find out why she looks just like Nikki Sanders, and he told her he created her. I hope that clears everything up haha…

QUOTE: To clear things up, I know there was some confusion about it.. did Nikki ever use super strength? Or did she only use super strength when she was Jessica?

No no no no no no no she did not, she SAYS she did. “It was in you all along, yada yada bullshit, Niki never exhibited super strength, just superschitz. Sorry for yelling (movie quote, anybody?) it’s just one of the topics that people go nuts about for some reason

I hate the idea of cloning in heroes. It makes their having special powers, not so special. Then they become products of science instead of super cool humans with awesome special powers!

But, Kinkaid, in season one (How to Stop an Exploding Man, I believe), didn’t Niki use the super strength with Jessica’s encouragement?

If Dr. Zimmerman can clone people, he would be the first one in the Heroes series, of a sort. There was one person, in the graphic novels, that was able to clone HIMSELF, Julien Dumont. I’m thinking that Niki might be the original, and he might have experimented with cloning people when he delivered her. Also, I think Niki might have had the super strength to begin with, but the more aggressive Jessica was the one that used it primarily.

I’m not entirely sure where the theory that Zimmerman being a founder came from, but I’m not sure that it’s true. He’s not in the Founder’s picture. The only ones that are pictured, naming them from Heroes Wiki, are:
Bob Bishop
Charles Deveaux
Harry Fletcher
Paula Gramble
Daniel Linderman
Carlos Mendez
Kaito Nakamura
Maury Parkman
Angela Petrelli
Arthur Petrelli
Victoria Pratt
Susan Ammaw (her name wasn’t clear, but that’s what it looked like)

And also, perhaps, Adam Monroe. I don’t know for sure though. I kind of like the thought of him being the Company’s Mohinder, even though Mohinder does still, technically, work for the Company. Is it possible that HE was the one that created the Formula?

The argument that Niki did in fact use Super Strength in S1 is still there yes, but I believe that Jessica in fact used it to help Niki, she had helped her a few times before I believe.

Also another clone was Evan from the graphic novels, he was able to clone himself at will and Adam attempted to destroy Evan (unsure of what happned after that to the best of my knowledge they didn’t go back to that story)

I doubt Adam created the formula but I do think he was involved with the Company at one time. Probably like a double agent of sorts, and apparently recrited Maury, who was also at one time with the company.

Be sure and take a look at my Level 5 research from HEROES Wiki, A LOT of new names and powers

did it occur to anyone that there were triplets instead of twins… OR that this Tracy is really Nikki’s twin/triplet?

Maybe Zimmerman meant that he created the abilties or created what Tracy had becomes when he siad “i created you”

maybe he didnt mean cloning.

maybe.

although i wouldnt put it past the writers. They seem to be trying to jam as many concepts as they can into this season.

but then there is no explanation for gina.. unless there were quadruplets.. but that’s pushing it a little too far.

Maybe he’s their “real father”

HAHAHA

Get it…. “I created you”

Sorry… I couldn’t resist….

Anyways, to make my comment seem less perverse and more probable… haven’t we established here that “specials” have “special parents” as well Were we ever sure that Nikki wasn’t adopted? (I mean, think about it… how else would she have been separated from her clone/twin/triplet/whatever)

Well, if Nikki really did have DID (Dissociative Identity Disorder), it could be very possible that she could have had one personality have powers while the others didn’t…..even in normal people with DID, some have strength that is almost paranormal in comparison to their “normal” selves. Some personalities can speak different languages, and some personalities can be different ages, and some can even have different speech and physicla characteristics. For example, there is a woman (in real life) who has a personality that is an 8year old girl….and when she is her “normal” self, she needs glasses….but when her mind reverts to the 8 year-old girl, she has perfect eyesight, and can even run faster and jump higher. Just to help settle the argument about strength beinginside you all along or not…it’s all to do with just how powerful the mind really is.

I wonder just how far this whole cloning thing gets, if it is indeed cloning. And if it’s not, if it’s really triplets, then why Tracy was raised separately from Nikki and Jessica? And, just how many more are there? They seemed to get rid of Nikki’s character after only 2 seasons, and it seems like Tracy boring in comparison to Nikki…to me, anyway. I think the only reason she’s even around is to find out what the hell isgoing on with the formula….at least, that’s what it seems like. Anyone else?

Well, if Zimmerman was part of the Company, he must have done whatever the hell he did with Niki and the others without telling the Company. Remember Bob, from season 2, telling Niki that she is experiencing just some sort of multiple personality disorder. I don’t know. I’m sure that this is something we need to wait a little longer for. And, from what I’ve read, I believe that we find out what all is going on with Tracy in either next weeks episode (I Am Become Death) or the one after that (Angels and Monsters).

when i posted above, i wasnt saying that they (the identities) were all different people. Obviously Tracy is not the same person physically as Nikki/Jessica/Gina.

Don’t forget thought that Nikki’s actual twin was named Jessica too. So, its possible that Tracy is the twin Jessica.

Its also shown that not all the personailities have the same powers. Nikki clearly did not have Jess’s strength – or shoe wouldnt have gotten beat on so easily so often.

It probably has something to do with cloning (which seems like a cop out for the show to me), because of the whole genetics theme of the show.

Also, (finally) Notice how many of the Company does stuff behind everyone elses back. I dont know why they formed a group… no one seemed to trust each other anyway.

i cant wait for next week.

Nikki, Jessica, Gina, Tracy, Barbara. That’s at least three physical bodies and five personalities. Who knows what sort of science experiment or power could have either combined the minds of Nikki/Jessica/Gina or fractured Nikki’s one personality into three. I think we’ll find out soon.

But I am pretty sure that all personalities had potential access to the superstrength. Nikki used it to wallop on Sylar at the end of season one. I think the only reason she didn’t use it before was because she was holding herself back psychologically. We’ve seen this happen before when Hiro started to doubt himself and couldn’t properly use his powers until he regained his self confidence.

Actually, Heidi, I had the same theory, that Tracy was really Jessica. I’m still kind of thinking that, since I don’t want to believe this whole business about Zimmerman cloned them. I’m just saying that there is a possibility that Niki was the original one, and all the others are clones off of her. I’m not sure that Jessica (her sister, not the personality) was actually her twin. I think I saw somewhere that she was a couple years older or something. I don’t know for sure, because I can’t find it again. lol

Yea Michael I thought in season one or two when we saw Jessica’s grave it said older sister or something… Love the clone idea – it seems so plausible… feel sorry for Micah left motherless…. and again where is the mimick girl cousin of Micah..

If you’re saying that Nikki didn’t have the super strenght and only Jessica did, you’re wrong. Research it.

Jessica was Nikki’s sister that was killed by their father. Nikki wanted to be strong like her sister Jessica, the one who protected her over the years, so to bear the abuse her father imposed on her she created the split persona of Jessica, named after her much stronger sister. Nikki was always strong, she just didnt know how to be. She used Jessica for that, which Jessica made quite clear when she took over.

Also in the S1 finale, Jessica clearly tells Nikki that it was her all along, that she had the superstrength. Also I believe it was in “Out of Time”, a S2 episode where Nikki is confused by Matt’s father and comes charging through the door and tears it down. If that’s not superstrength, then I don’t know what is.

Just b/c you claim its true, doesn’t make it true. What the show says, and what the writers say are what’s true.

Monica (the muscle mimic girl) is gone from the show for a while. They were going to actually show what happened to her in the show, but they scrapped the scene and they are going to release it with the Season 3 DVD.

I do think the clone idea might be plausable, though, although I’m not sure whether I like it…

She used it at the end of season one and two…but only at the end…the problem is she doesn’t believe in herself so it is never as strong and it was when jessica used it considering that she was the ‘dominate’ personality

I don’t think we saw the last of Nikki…i mean look how flawless her skin was after being in an explosion lol….We will def. see Ali using her acting chops because there is no way she will only be playing Tracy from now on

Nikki did in fact use her Superstrength in more than one occasion.

End of S1, she’s getting smacked around by the girl that can change her form. She sees Jessica in a mirror and Jessica tells her that it’s not her, and that she can beat her. Nikk ithen goes on to beat da hell outta illusion girl (punching her across the room), and thus saves Micah.

Right after that, she rips a parking meter out of the ground and let’s one ring across Sylar’s face (Honestly, one of my favorite parts of that fight, lmao).

She didn’t have the tattoo that appeared whenever Jessica took over on either of those two occasions.

Then in S2, of course, she tears down that door while under Parkman’s dad’s control.

Hah, could you imagine Ali playing five different people? loooooolz

Tracy goes on the podium to speak for Nathan or the Governor. Instead of Tracy, however, it’s Jessica! My my.. I wonder what Jessica would have to say about all those people ;)

I think that all of Nikki’s split personalities might have different powers. Either that, or Nikki may not be the actual host of her multiple personalities

What happened to him? is it revealed or not?

(I even tried to look it up on google, several others have this question, but there isn't any answers.)

who gives a shit

Claire's flying boyfriend stormed off pissed at the end of Season 2, because Claire wanted to go public and he didn't. She gave his file back and told him they were through.

He got hit by a plane.

he was useless, im glad hes pretty much gone.

I think he comes back to save the cheerleader(:D)…
Because there is so many of them by now, and it's impossible to fit them all into one little episode, so maybe he just comes along later in the season? Or one of the many, many other seasons to come?

The better question is what happened to Elle. I heard she's coming back to hunt down/get revenger on Sylar?

elle is coming back, not sure when though. if you go to www.spoilerfix.com they have a bunch of stuff on there.

I seriously hope he flew into a passing jet engine.

He was useless and annoying. Therefore, the writers wrote his character out of the story.

i dunno , i think that with the evolution of characters abilities he may come back as a villan or possibly turn up in the company as "one of them" possibly alongside bennet when sylar undoubtedly goes tits up

He's in the new Dragonball movie helping Goku and cryin about Clair

Yeah they broke up in the last episode of season 2 when Claire wanted to go public with her powers

He is trying for the next Superman movie!

In one of the TV guide magazines the writers said that the show is like life. Some people will stay. Some will be around but just won't be seen. Others will simply go away.

~ JAy

Now, dont quote me on this, but didnt this dudes agent pull him out of the show because the producers wanted his character to suddenly 'turn' gay

Ah i dunno…

good riddance.

no, that was the other friend who she first revealed her powers to (who now appears in the Terminator show)

yea, I'm thinking they'll bring him back later… but as for the time being he's still dealing w being dumped by the indestructible cheerleader & reading thru his files. Still think his character was a bit cheezy to the fact he has some superman / superboy features & so happen to have flying as his ability! :)

Him and Claire broke up. End of story. Personally, I hope West is never seen or mentioned again. =D

i killed him. and id do it again.

Who? hahahaha…
Hit by a plane is the best response I read!
Seriously, he is useless unless he is a politician *cough*Nathan*cough*.

Also, did I miss this but what happened to Zach? I mean before they up and left to start a new life didn't Zach know about Claire's power? Did the Haitian get to him before they left or is he still just doing his thing in Texas while knowing about her power?

West and Caitlin are both dead. :D

thats a point i hope they resolve the caitlin story! some how

i really liked him. he seemed like a sweet guy. I was thinking that like after he and claire broke up, then he would become this super villain, and then be like Sylar's sidekick, and is constantly trying to kill Claire and stuff.
But no. No return. no villainism.
whatever, i still am enjoying the new season.

I hated Caitlin, but I agree that they should have explained what happened to her. Then again, I don't really want them to waste valuable screen time to explain this. Oh well.

Caitlin is in the future where the virus was released but since the virus didn't, that scene doesn't exist… nor does she.

but she will still exist in the past before peter met her?!? i doubt that they will resolve it now!

Yes, IF she didn't meet Peter or Peter didn't bring her to the "alternated" future,
she will still exist. Now, she is pretty much "dead" unless the producers threw in another twist like she is Peter's sister, hahahahahaha.

So I watched a clip from Comic-Con and someone said that Linderman returns in the season premiere of season 3 (Villains). How the heck does Linderman come back?! Didn't D.L. pretty much squish his brain? But then again Linderman has the power to make things come back to life, right? Hmm…

Maybe Adam gave him his blood .

They've had dead characters come back in flashbacks. Also, like the comics, superpowers offer a deus ex machina solution to everything.

I think I read somewhere about this. I believe that Linderman is coming back as a sort of ghost or "vision" in Nathan's near-death experience.

Lol, in Nathan's 2nd near-death experience?! Do people ever die on this show? Even Mr. Nakamura (Hiro's father; I can't think of his first name) is coming back….*sighs*. I still can't wait…. :)

I wish theyd bring Claude back. He was probably one of the coolest characters in season 1.

I'd actually like to see Meredith to come back. And I believe I did actually see her in a video somewhere, can't really remember where, though.

Yes Claire's Biological Mother Meredith will return. Claude's character is on hiatus from Heroesland because, the actor that plays Claude is shooting a film at the moment.

I thought I saw her in a video somewhere, like a trailer or something. That is awesome. I really like her and Elle's powers.

Yes Meredith was in a preview trailor with HRG Bennet. Meredith is in huge demand because of her power

Yeah, I don't remember for sure just who all was in the same video with her, but there looked like there was a group of people surrounding her, while she did the same thing she did when she first showed Claire her power, just holding her hand out while flames popped up on her palm. I don't know, I can't wait for the season to come back. Just three weeks left! :D

http://www.superheroprofiles.com/heroes-301-a-second-coming-the-butterfly-effect-official-description/

Was Claude going to end up being Elle's "silent partner" in the "Untold Stories" footage from Vol. 2? H.R.G.'s description of the situation while bouncing the ball in his cell seemed to heavily suggest that Elle's mysterious protector was invisible. I don't know if Christopher Eccleston's schedule was clear then and not now or if there was a Plan B in place, but I know they've been wanting to bring him back for awhile.

And when is Sparrow Redhouse going to show up? She's become the Holy Grail of minor characters in the series, the one that's been promised to be more than a name on "the list" and a face in the crowd in the online graphic novels for quite some time now.

And why is Monica being written out? I thought she and Knox were slated for a tete-a-tete originally. Has his storyline been changed or is he going to disappear until Vol. 4 (or later) after being sprung from Level 5?

Hey Matt to answer your question there. No Claude was considered as a potential partner in the untold stories footage. At the last minute Kring and the writers thought it was a bad idea because of the loopholes. The writers decided to create a new female character who had an invisible power, but then Sylar got to her. This female invisible edited out apparently, I will try to find the clip of her and post it for you to see.

Christopher Ecclestons has been busy shooting the new G.I Joe movie and an independent project for a while now. Kring always had intentions of bringing Claude back to mentor Peter again, however because of scheduling conflicts this plan has been scrapped. Ecclestons is expected to return halfway in the season of Villains.

Unfortunetly Sparrow Redhouse will not bee showing up anytime soon. Due to the consistent changing timelines, it becoming increasing difficult to bring her into mainstream Heroesland.

Monica's character will be placed on hiatus for a while. Kring and the writers felt her character had to many loopholes and they wanted to get rid of Micah. Kring and the writers thinks there are too many characters brought forward from last season, and is bringing Heroes back to the season 1 formula.

Knox is going to be introduced in Villains has one of the escapee's from Sector 5. The tie in between him and Monica may be altered abit for now.

Elle's partner wasn't going to be the "chameleon girl" that Sylar kills in one of those "bonus" scenes is it?

Also…I thought the policy was "one of us, one of them." Wouldn't putting Elle w/ another evolved human be a policy violation? Or were they taking a different tack given the amount of powers Sylar had collected?

No not chameleon girl but a completely new character similar to Claude with invisibility but more indepth. Your are somewhat right with the Policy by the company being placed in effect. The writers however felt like going into a different direction or taking a tactical approach. The idea has now been scrapped, has Kring and the writers are now going back to the 1st formula of the season. NBC Universal doesn not want another decrease in ratings this time around.

Hey, The Company did put Elle & the Haitian together to go after Peter & Adam, why not do the same for Sylar?

I don't imagine that NBC liked one of it's top shows seeing such a dip in ratings. I definitely get the feeling that, with all of the hype that has been following the series recently, and it's been getting just that.

You must not forget Michael, that NBC Universal invested HEAVILY into the HEROES franchise. The writers strike did far worst than expected, when it came to mega investments for NBC Universals. NBC Universal makes it profits from the major advertisers in specific time slots. Kring and the Universal top bosses had to discuss strategic ways to bringing back viewers. Hence Kring thought it was best to go back to the 1st formula of the show.

Ah. That makes sense. I can kind of see why Kring wanted to go for a new idea for season two, though. Maybe he didn't want people to get tired of the show because it was just more of the same thing. But, it looks like he guessed wrong. lol

The problem was those new idea's that Kring was going for, were to elaborate. Viewers got lost in the shuffle, and lost interest. I heard that the top NBC Exec's gave a very stern warning back in May. Kring had to follow suit and so did his writing team. It was NBC'S way or the Highway

Kring had to resort back to the Heroes characters having "PURPOSE". All the Heroes had to rethink their purpose and Why they are connected to the bigger scheme of things.

The following article sums up pretty much what I have just written: http://tvblog.ugo.com/index.php/tvblog/more/tim_kring_and_zachary_quinto_talk_heroes_season_3_sylar_and_spock/

In other sad Heroes news Micah will be leaving the series with Monica and Molly could be following suit!

I wish they wouldn't write off any of them. Personally, I think that they ought to just give them more of a storyline, instead of just completely abandoning them. The same goes for Molly. But, if they are going for more action this season, I suppose that that is a good way to go.

Okay, so D.L. is dead, Niki's dead, and Micah's being written out.

So glad they invested so much time on that storyline for 1.5 seasons. I'm really excited for this upcoming season, but it's high time someone (Kring?) sat down and mapped out EXACTLY where he wants each storyline to go from here on out, through this season, the next, and so on. This fast-and-loose style he's been using has already created numerous gaffes in continuity (see other thread) and has now rendered a MAJOR storyline a complete and utter waste of time.

I get it if he wants to get the kids off the show and know that the WGA strike was a major stumbling block, but…come on. If he (and everyone associated with the show) wants it to be a mega hit (again?), they need to be a little more detail-oriented and focused.

The problem isn't really not finding time to map out the series. The actual problem is "NBC Universal". The simple fact of the matter is Kring thinks "Megabig" and that is costly to production. Nbc at the end of the day decides what can be included in the show and what can't. The capita being invested in Heroes for Villains was somewhat limited and the same could occur for "Fugitives". It cost alot of money to showcase thos special abilities on Heroes lol. CGI's and special effects takes up half the budgets. NBC breaks even by advertising Nissan and other craptacular product placements in the show lol.

I have noticed that they definitely use Nissan a lot for advertising, so surely that helps soften the blow of production.

Okay, I understand that…but that doesn't explain away the meandering storyline. Many LOST fans grew weary of the show's slow third season, claiming the writers were making it up as they went along. It turned out all the buildup was important, but it's obvious now that the creative team for that show has a definitive roadmap to the endgame, whether or not they did before.

That has nothing to do with special effects or budget. The use of effects to illustrate powers is a detail that can be easily adjusted for one scene. What I'm talking about is actually mapping out individual storylines long-term. I'll give you an example of what I mean:

Matt Parkman and his wife were going to have a baby in Vol. 1. He was super-excited, to the point of still wondering how his boy was doing in "Five Years Gone," despite long since turning from the light, so to speak. In Vol. 2, he's suddenly divorced within four months and learned the baby wasn't his, but (one can only assume) the result of the affair Janice had with Tom, his former partner on the force. When his dad trapped him in a nightmare, a prominent part was Janice appearing with a crying baby and walking right by him and through the bars. The guard there then taunted him for walking out on the child like Maury did to him when he was a kid. All this seemed to point toward it being a major storyline for him in Vol. 3 (or what was to be Vol. 3) or 4.

This coming season, at least for "Villains," he's going to be dumped into the desert or Outback or something like it, possibly in a different time. Molly's being written-out, removing the whole "My Two Dads" element of the show, and Mohinder's going to be off doing his thing with Maya. What, then, becomes of the whole "we're having a baby/it wasn't mine" storyline? Does it get left on the back burner until Vol. 4? Why the sudden change in circumstances to begin with after he reconciled with his wife? Was the actress who plays Janice unavailable?

The whole thing created a weird disparity between the storyline in the future in "Five Years Gone" and the reality in Vol. 2. I know stopping the bomb/Peter from killing 0.07% of the world's population changed the future…but did it REALLY change the baby's parentage? Or did Janice lie so she could leave him after he disappeared on her again? It felt like a dropped storyline, much like the garish writing on the walls in Sylar's apartment that Mohinder and Eden found and was never mentioned again.

That's what I'm talking about: storylines and plot details that feel like they could be important, but also feel like they could just be filler. The show talks a lot about fate and destiny, but where is it all going? All the D.L. and Micah (and Monica) stuff feels like it was wasted time now that one character was prematurely killed off due to, if reports were to believe, the actor's incompatibility with his leading lady, and the other two are being summarily dismissed instead of being developed.

I realize that the backlash against the new characters was cause for concern, but let's not kid ourselves: how many of the important new characters are returning this season? We know Elle is, albeit briefly in Vol. 3, and we know Adam/Kensei is as well in the fourth episode. Maya is sticking around with her storyline with Mohinder, and one can only assume Bob is still going to be around as long as the Company is partially involved.

So who's been/being dismissed? West, apparently vanishing into oblivion when Claire dumped him; Alejandro, killed by Sylar; Caitlin, abandoned in an dead world in the future for the time being; and Monica, to be dropped despite JUST getting off the ground as a character (strange, since hers was one of the more developed arcs with a lot of potential).

If they kept all the rest, why not keep her? I just don't get it. If Kring and co. are out to clear things up and get it rolling in a predetermined direction from here on out, great. But it almost feels like they pressed reset instead of just working with what they'd created. They were, after all, already established storylines and character arcs. Dropping them seems a little bit like a cop-out, that's all.

I'm still very much looking forward to the new volume/season, just disappointed that they took the easy way out, so to speak.

I totally agree with you about the new characters introduced in season 2. I mean, why drop them, instead of developing them and bringing them into the main storyline of the new Volume. Micah and Monica definitely have potential as characters, especially since they brought in the idea of "St. Joan". I just don't get it. That definitely seems just as a cop out. I don't get it, and it kind of bothers me. Hopefully they have some sort of idea they just aren't talking about. I think I could see why they TEMPORARILY write the kids out of Volume 3, since it's really more for action, for fighting off the new Villains, than just discovery. But, to just completely write them out? That doesn't make sense. Why would they even introduce them in the begining, and give them cool powers, to just leave them behind?

Agreed…why Micah and Molly? They've been around since the beginning. Micah has one of the most powerful (although it is underused) powers. And Molly does so much for Mohinder and Matt's storylines, it seems a shame to take her out as well.

And I did like Monica. I'd rather keep Monica and lose Adam. Or Maya…her power is pretty ridiculous, and she will just end up being used by a villain. I mean, what type of genetic anomaly creates a power that reverses itself when your brother holds your hands and chants in Spanish? She could go instead of Monica.

Well, I've heard that Monica is not being COMPLETELY lost, just for a while. She might make an appearance later on. I can only assume that the same thing will happen with Micah and Molly. This is going to be a dangerous time for the Heroes, and the kids will probably be put into hiding to keep them safe…hopefully.

Ok then… Hiro and Ando's stupidity has lead them into Level 5 lol…. i just love the interchange between daphne and hiro and ando, its jokes.

So like i was saying, H&A in Level 5. I am confused about how Level 5 works, is it like once ur in there you can use your powers ? I mean i remember the flame thrower villain was able to use his. So that means surely Hiro can use his power just to get him and Ando out of there?

Or is the Haitian going to be there guard, and sit out there so they cant use there powers.

"Popcorn?"…so funny.

But I was thinking the same thing about how Level 5 detention cells neutralize one's power. The flame thrower villian was able to throw flames, but obviously Jesse was stuck there for years, unable to use his powerful yell.

yeah! after the clip of hiro and ando was in there. i kinda had a delayed reaction and i was like….WAIT! why are they in there!

hahah yeah the popcorn scene was funny.

The reason they can't use their power is becuase the Hatian is there. Once he leaves, they can use the power.

the flame thrower uses his power but it couldnt do nothing to the glass…. so in terms of jesse, he could use it but it would just do damage to him… since the sound would bounce of the glass n wall and hit him ? < < i think lol

where as hiro's freezing time and teleporting then he can just teleport himself out.

i agree with u joshua… haitian is the one stopping hiro getting out of there…at the moment lol

The popcorn scene was great…. i actually like all there scenes..i liked the bit where there powers dont work "what kinda over confident nemesis are you ? " lol…

I just like the whole story arc in general, well without the intensity. Great way to slide some comic relief into S3 IMO

Not to mention that Daphne is pretty cute…

Hiro/Ando in Level 5 = no good. Angela is just gonna trap Kaito's son and best friend in there? I think we are over using the Level 5 prisons if you ask me, I mean they got em so they think they gotta use em…

Oh yeah the hatian is with them…now i get why they were there….then hiro cannot use his powers. They probably try to make Hiro tell them where the other half of the formula is and why he try to steal it. Since now Daphine has it…not sure if I like her yet.

Does anyone else have a suspicion the "pick up" mission the Haitian was on was to pick up Hiro, who he knew would be there? Neither he nor Angela seemed overly upset the formula was gone when they got back.

hmm good observation. Hiro is the son of Kaitio. But really what would they want him for…hopefully not to "feed" Sylar. Maybe they need him to work for them. But why Ando? They could of let him go…he has no powers.

And when Hiro teleported though earlier in show……Ando had a power…the blue electric thing came of his hands….so maybe Ando has a power or they give him powers. Dr. Hiresh (sp?) did find a formula but it obviously had its side effects….which i want to know whats happening to him (dr. h).

ooo. yeah. I totally though the "pick up" meant a person until the scene with the formula….

but maybe the pickup was meant to be the speedster instead of Hiro and the Haitian was just upset….

BTW, the Haitian was upset! I dont think we usually see emotion from him. Remember when we were shocked that he could talk? now he's grabbing Hiro and we're more concerned with why!

Ando's powers were a red electricity type projection.

The Haitian was mad because he had just been smacked on his head and the formula was stolen. I don't think Sylar will be able to feed on Hiro because the Haitian would have to be gone to use his powers and then Hiro could just teleport out. And the future that Hiro saw could have been changed already since both halves of the formula are gone.

the future hiro saw was the future when the formula gets out…. it was after future peter had changed everything. So at the moment everything is going according to plan to have the future as how hiro saw it….i think lol

I don't think sylar is there to feed on hiro. I think they are there because they messed up the situation, and now the formula is in the hands of daphne's boss… who is ? erm god knows lol (i had a feeling it was Adam ? )

So you think Dr. Hiresh's forumla of giving ppl powers may end up being a bad thing. And maybe that is how Ando got powers because someone stole Dr. H's forumula. Because Dr. H i do not think would just release it…unless he ends up being a mad scientiest…

I mean remember he did find a forumla to give powers.

Maybe the formula that Hiro had…may also be a power giving forumla too….not sure….or maybe something worse.

This is all confusing

hey, he is not dr H, it's dr. S… Dr. Suresh.

anyways, i think d Suresh is already too excited to turn people into 'specials'… remember he mentions dat to Maya bout giving a differnt power to each individual…

also, d formula cn b d same thing (bout turning normals into specials) bt wid no side effects ;)
bt as they hvnt mentioned anything yet, it cn b d shanti virus too … d future dat peter accidently enters into with catailine (or watever), in season 2.

Use vowels please.

And actual words, Jesus Christ it's like kids don't know english anymore!

Hiro/Ando are pretty much just kinda in the drunk tank to think about what they did, there is in no way a possibility that Angela is going to allow Sylar to feed of Hiro. I'd like to see some more of the badass Haitian personally maybe fight em in the cell, don't kill him just mess em up a little I mean Ando knocked him the F out!

As far as the formula(s) that's right plural (that's what it's called when there's more than one of something, lmao) anyway TWO formulas

1. Formula Dr. Suresh has created to give ordinary people abilities – Apparently this is the catalyst to the bad future this time. Mohinder made himself Lizard Man and that screws a lot up I guess. Here's something to think about, if Future Peter capped his own brother, what do YOU think is gonna happen when he finds out Mohinder is the one that created the formula.

2. Ancient Formula previously protected by Angela/Kaito, why is Angela so GD important is what I wanna know, she's got the Haitian on lock down, a part of the formula and who knows what else) anyway after breaking down the components and molecules of the ancient formula it appears to be one that takes abilities away (which doesn't really explain how it can lead to the end of the world)

K2

…I'm sorry, are you new to the show?

Ha…and WOW…be nice Harry lol

Nathan is her biological father.

According to the 'current' future, Sylar is not going to get Hiro's power, otherwise he would have come back to the past and kill Peter Petrelli before he gets Claire's power, collect any power he wants because the others are not aware of him and still too weak… it'd mean the end of the show: Sylar gets everything, everybody(except Claire and Adam/Takezo) go 'home'…

Yea, I think that Dr. S formula off giving powers will be a bad thing. When present peter goes to the future, he will see everything going insane and i think practically every1 will be with powers – so that will mean more villains.

I think Ando, gets his powers because of Dr.S formula. I think after episode 3, with hiro and ando in level 5, showed that there is tension between them both and I can see ando going to Dr.S (when he finds out that Dr. S is the one giving powers).

The formula Hiro had, i think is one to take away powers – maybe like the shanti virus ?…..because Angela wants it, and it would make sense, since the company always acts to try and control the situation. So taking that into account, Angela is thinking let the formula – tht gives people powers, get out and we can deal with by using a formula that contains/takes away people's powers. (agreeing with kinkaid's point 2.)

…just a thought lol

Warning: There is a heavy irony in your opening sentence of the a posteriori variety. An analysis of your own reasoning and logic should provide the right answer. Communication does not necessarily involve 100% correct syntax and grammar especially given the Facebook time constraint. Btw it is formulae (Latin feminine noun, nominative case, plural)

As for your two conclusions – both formulae are plausible. I reckon if what you advocate is true, the War episode may possibly involve a battle for control of both formulae; both good and bad parties have a vested interest in having exclusive knowledge of both formulae. The prospect of vast unimaginable power has a strange effect on even the most rational sane mind.

hey guys, i think the discussion should be about heroes, not grammar. i thought that people can easily understand 'can' or 'but' and other such simple words. but anyway that's alright if people are facing so much problem. i apologize for that and hope that people discuss about the subject rather than spell checks.

i agree lol… less chat on spelling & grammar and more on theories and opinions :D lol

Regarding hiro and ando, I don't understand why they are in the Level 5, in the first place? They are not deadly criminals. They just tried to steal the bag from the Haitian!

Are those not 2 parts of the same formula? I thought it is riped in 2 pieces. They are always talking about "the other part".

the haitian took them back to level 5 lol… since they resulted in the other half of the formula getting into the hands of daphne.

i personally cant see them being locked in forever, i think it was just a place to hold them for the moment.

in some aspect they can be considered deadly lol… since firstly hiro opened the safe… so that of the formula was taken lol… then they knocked out the haitian and then the other part got stolen lol…. if the formula can destroy the world…and they have resulted it in falling in the wrong hands ? erm… lol

yea there are two parts (i think – has it been stated there are two parts ? )….well i know daphne stole both of them.. for her boss

seems like the world is always in danger… ;)

I know they said the season would go fast pace but WHOA SLOW DOWN The whole Matt/Daphne thing is completely disgusting, how does Future Peter die so easily… what up with little Noah, except he is so adorable… They are spitting out way to many questions.

And what is with this bullshit about injecting people when they were babies

Isn't the ENTIRE PURPOSE of the show to be about human EVOLUTION!?!?!

I'm very disappointed in the direction of this season and hope they clear some things up soon.

ALSO I WANT MONICA BACK!
*petition*

It's going a bit fast, but I like all the loose threads.

Agree with you about Matt / Daphne. That was a very awkward scene…

Future Peter died because the Haitian rendered him powerless, mortal.

We're only four episodes in, let's not lose hope yet.

** sorry about the spelling in advance.

no petition. Her story was too disconnected from everyone else. — I think it's GREAT that there're so many questions. keeps things interesting. And the whole "ppl injected as babies" is all a part of the story line. Future Peter said that a line was drawn between the heroes (Claire, Nathan, Parkman, etc.) those who were born w. powers and those who were "made". It just is another step towards who's a villain. — when everything's a mystery it forces us viewers to analyse and pick up on all the nuances. It makes things fun.

I just don't get the "people injected as babies" plot.

Sure, it would make sense for all of the tons of people around right now…but what about Adam? If a formula was needed to inject all of these new people, how in the world did Adam have that power?

I don't get it, it doesn't make sense much…

The whole " people injected as babies"…. is like the next stage… think about it… the company was experimenting with a virus that could take away powers and potentially kill them.

In season 1, Linderman suggested that DL and Nikki were put together specifically…maybe this has an effect on the next generation of people with powers.

Taking that into consideration its not surprising that they had a way to give people powers and were experimenting with it at a young age. I guess there must be a person that has the power to give powers….. and they might have experimented on them to work out how it worked and replicated it.

its like nicole said above- there are people who were born with powers and people who were 'made'… and it would be boring if we knew the answers to every question… the not knowing is what makes it awesome

I love not knowing everything that is going on with the show. It kind of makes it a much faster show, you know? It makes it so much more amazing. I agree, it is very fast paced, and if you miss an episode, you will be very far behind, but I feel that this is to make up for the very slow pace of season 2. I'm sure that everything will be explained in time. Like KC said above, this is only episode 4. Everything will be revealed, we just need to sit back and enjoy the ride while we wind our way there. I mean, there were a lot of people confused as hell about Tracy Strauss and Niki, and look what happened with that? We just needed to wait one episode to find out that they were really two sisters of identical triplets separated at birth. (I was somewhat correct about that, I said that Tracy was Niki's long lost twin sister Jessica…turns out that Jessica was her YOUNGER adopted sister, and Tracy was her long lost TRIPLET, lol) Let's hold off on the petitions until we find out how things pan out. I mean, there were people that were VERY pissed about last season. The writers and Tim Kring are trying to make up for that.

I still liked Monica and think she had a lot of potential. Especially to join the rest of the cast somehow.

And I hope that Mohinder doesn't end up like he does in the future. I thought that was retarded.

I love it, thought it might be going a bit fast in EP1, but this season is going to be so deep and so in depth that the junkies (myself included, lol) will know an insurmountable amount more about what's going on than the standard Monday night viewer. They really seem to be rewarding the true HEROES following this year (but have already created numerous other questions)

Also the ones that dislike this season you have to realize that we cannot have a Peter/Sylar fight every season, well we could but it would turn into Neo/Smith which I plan to write about whenever I get the time.

Do not like Tracy, do not like Maya, but that was the same in S1/S2 too…such pointless characters.

The injection to babies? well..thats simple..to FORCE along evolution/experiment to see if they can alter genetics on a base level and keep it permanent..as a trait passed through breeding. ..It still has Human Evolution in it..since passing of dominant traits through breeding is still going on, especially with the genetically tampered babies.

As for the Company, perhaps they were on the search for MORE individuals with abilities to get together some breeding circles or isolations of the gene to create a formula thats more accurate than that chances of breeding the traits.. who knows

That was quite unnecessary to call someone a douche based on opinion…

the injection to babies is going to set up the actual problem (obviously Sylar wasn't ever the problem, all Angela had to do was open her mouth)

Get ready for the war: Purebloods vs. People injected

i guess you could say this season sucked, if you don't like exciting television. im sure you would rather have the whole cast watch paint dry. maybe that would be less fast paced for you

Yeah… don't join addicted to heroes and then go and say it sucks. Get out of here

Why not? Plenty of people did exactly that last year–the same people who like this season.

because youre obviously not addicted, nor a fan.

The new series has been great so far IMO. Some of the plot threads being set up are great, and it has been much faster paced than series 1 2 which was the biggest complaint with them.

'Bad' Peter and 'Good' Sylar were a revelation in the newest episode, and I can't wait to see more Adam in the next ep!

Also can't wait to see what actually happens with Suresh as he changes… into whatever the hell he's becoming.

Great stuff.

I am loving S04,maybe even up there with S01. I love the fast pace, the unanswered questions and the gobsmacking shocks – you know it's been a good episode when it ends and you are just sat there mouth opened and speechless Fantastic

It's a wonderful season. There is so much of excitement and interest in every character's story. Second Season was rather chilled out and slower than this (although I liked that 1 too).
Besides, I also like the fact that there is more to it than just 'Save the world' theme. There is a lot of conflict among the Heroes and its so difficult to decide who's good or who's bad. Things are getting exciting with every new episode. I love it!

Apparently, from a press release about episode 7, Mohinder becomes the villan. Interesting twist!

i think this sason is completely fine… things are getting more interesting… yeah… too much diversity as one can say… but i like it… coz that means more action!

Twists and turns, just like in the world economy. What is good and what is bad and how does individual choice influence this fuzzy concept ? Hope the logic holds true.

The injected babies things might be interesting.

Nathan, the Nikki triplets and others were injected. Peter is a pure blood, but is this what the alliances were based on?

But too many questions can be a problem. People dont like to be too confused watching tv, and if they continue with more questions than answers, then it will end up like LOST.

i haven't actually seen the fourth episode yet so i can't quite understand yet what ur on about but i think there is too many characters now and its getting a bit silly. Because sureley the flame throwin guy who was on level 5 is similar to claires real mum who can also make fire come out of her hands and claires boyfriend wherever hes gone can fly and so can nathan petrelli so why give them similar or the same powers what is the point if we have already seen it?

See, there is no compulsion that only one person can have a power. Different people can have similar powers. It all depends on the genes structures, I guess. Also when you see episode 4, I am become death, there will be others too in the future with similar powers.

Previusly, we have seen Sylar has the power to freeze. May be he killed someone with that ability. And now Tracy has the same ability.

yeah theyre trying to hard or something
too many things are changing
and the characters are acting like themselves
this season is not good so far

i want to punch hiro
and sylar is supposed to be bad
wtf is going on

I like this season a lot, but one thing that's really ruining it for me is the fact that Peter is becoming evil! He was supposed to be the only one who wouldn't turn bad.
I understand that yeah, maybe it's to make him more of a dynamic character, but still, I just really hope he's not going to be a villain

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Yeh.. it is going too fast.. but its still good… what annoys me with any heroes episode why dont they just use they power (unless hatian around).. the person that uses the power mostly is Hiro… thats referencing the question why future peter dies so quickly…. he could heal and stop time,… but he didnt… and the haitan wasnt even near him..
similarly wen sylar takes claires power he shudnt have been able to becuase she would heal just the way peter did wen sylar tried taking his power… season 1.

I feel like they are taking various old comic book plotlines that they think were popular and trying to redo them as fast as possible…with crappy results.

Dudes, dudes, dudes… Why do we like this show in the first place? Though there are more people involved, they still are doing essentially the same thing as the 1st season… Plot, with twists. It's still badass!

so if I missed any please tell me. So there are a lot of powers that peter has that he doesn't use at all like he supposed to be really smart cause he absorbed that from sylar who took of from Charlie.

Here's what I can remember:

Telekinesis
Telekinetic I think
Regeneration
Mind reading
Teleportation/time travel
Invisiblilty
Edens power of persuasion
Flight
Paint the future
Dream the future
Nuclear…
Incredible hearing
Super strength
Walk through walls
Melt things
Freeze things
Taking away memories/ stoping powers
The blue flame
Jesse's power
Absorbing fear for something He got it from Knox I thnk
Electricity
Making gold from metal

That's as far As I can think for now. If you remember some that I missed post it

Are you positive on Eden's ability?

Micah and molly powers and maybe those other guys from level 5

Yeah, he does have Molly's and Micah's abilities, doesn't he?

From heroeswiki.com:

Precognitive dreaming,
Flight,
Precognition,
Rapid cell regeneration,
Telepathy,
Invisibility,
Telekinesis,
Space-time manipulation,
Induced radioactivity,
Super strength,
Lightning,
Phasing

I don't think he met Micah or Molly, sorry, the Heroeswiki seems the most accurate.

Yeah. Peter met Micah and Molly. End of season one. In that place where he fights Sylar. Molly and Micah are behind some column. DL, and Nikki were there too. This is right when DL and Nikki have taken Micah back from Linderman.

Hahahah, just noticed. Nobody has mentioned his OWN original ability.
Emphatic Mimicry

I don't think he has intuitive aptitude or can melt things, cos Sylar wasn't using those abilities, so Peter's DNA wouldn't resequence itself to those abilities. And he hasn't got persuasion from Eden either.

I don't even like him having phasing cos I just dont think he would have had much of a chance to absorb it, but they obviously show him to have it. So if he has DL's power, he has Micah and Molly's, altho i wont believe it until i see it.

Also, no one has mentioned the illusions, i.e. changing appearance

They were way to far away from him to have contact with him, the only reason he has D.L. power is because want to get Niki after she was about to hit Sylar. Because if that was the cause after he remember in season 2, why didn't he just use Molly power to locate his brother.

i dont think he could take any of sylar power expet to know how things work sylar orignal power

Telekinesis is Sylars original power, isn't it?

its the first power he took

Ah, thats right. :)

I'm not sure if you can count the powers Sylar has, but hasn't used in Peter's presence. Maybe since Peter isn't aware of those powers, he can't use them yet. I'm sure we would've shown some sign of Charlie's power by now had that been the case.

He can only use telekinesis from Sylar because he is aware he has that ability.

Well, I'm pretty sure.

would he also have Sylar's original power? knowing how things work

Did peter meet Candice though? Or do you mean from the end of season 1 when he met fought sylar?

Also, yeah he probably can't use half the powers he may have gotten from sylar, simply because he isn't aware of them. Just like the other powers he absorbed, he has to be aware and then master before he can use them on purpose.

so until he actually knows that he is incredibly smart or her thing miles away… he can't use them until he know he has them

um, didn't Hiro save charlie from sylar she ended dying of an anurism or a car crash or something — And i think Peter only has powers that were used in front of him. So if he never saw Molly use her power then how can he have it Though that theory doesn't hold true for the dreaming thing w. his mom. But with sylar, he had every ability Sylar used on him in the big showdown. I don't think he even knows about sylars original power

He absorbs abilities whether he sees them or not, it's just that he knows he has the powers he sees. He didn't ever see DL use his power, he just accidentally used it in Season 2. I don't think he's had an excuse to use Micah's or Molly's powers yet because he doesn't know he has them, and he hasn't had the opportunity to be scared into using them. And I don't think he has Candice's power, that would be Future Peter… of course, I could be mistaken.

he should have the persuasion there is a scene in season one when peter first goes to mohinder and eden is in the room, the only reason that he wouldn't have it is if he only gets them when they are used around him.

Again, that can't be true. If he has been around Eden, he must have Eden's ability. Otherwise, he wouldn't have DL's ability.

it's possible that in DL's state his powers weren't in control as we've seen with ted and peter, etc. DL had been shot and was writhing in pain. his powers could've been switching on and off as with ted's when he was shot.

Ted wasn't using his powers when Peter absorbed them, and he was in full control.

ted is constantly emitting radioactive waves, thats how he accidentally killed his wife. claire wasn't regenerating but peter got that too. claire;s body is always regenerating parts, when a cell gets energy drained it regenerates it. those (claire's and ted's) powers don't ever get shut off. they're like a heart beat. no matter how much u try or think about it you can't stop ur heart beat. it's involuntary. while breathing is like a voluntary thing, u could stop it if u want but ur brain will shut u down so u can strt to breath.

when u see power's like these normal body functions there are two types of powers: voluntary and involuntary. ted's and claire's are the involuntary type.

Good argument, but did Isaac ever use his ability in front of Peter before Peter drew himself flying in front of Nathan in the hospital?

yeah, as a matter of fact when isaac was in one of his precog states peter came to help him because he was told that he OD-ed on heroin or whatever drug he was taking.

I'm hoping that they explain why Peter has DL's power later this season. I know that there is a flashback episode that will take place back during the first season that will show some of the things that weren't shown, I think. Maybe that will explain some things. I don't know. Surely Future Peter will tell us some time just what the range on his power is. I mean, in four years, surely he figured out how far away he had to be in order to absorb these powers.

he is going to OWN this season !

peter takes all of Sylar's power. how do you think he got telekinesis?

Charlie's power was to remember things easily.

Peter has many powers but doesn't mean he knows about them. He has to know or be put in a situation where that power is vital for it to appear.

Peter has DL's power because they crossed paths in Seaso 1finale.

heroes wiki only lists the ones we have seen him use but he definitely has more.

And he could freeze stuff. And what about Sylar's super-hearing? And I think there are more…where did they go?

Yeah good point. I reckon the Peter's amnesia in Ireland and Sylar's own set back at the start of Season 2 were when all these abilities were lost. I reckon there is a formula that takes the abilities away in addition to the virus (both developed by the company). Mohinder has just developed the formula to give people powers – which the bad guys at the company were trying to develop. Mohinder needs to be very careful from now on.

I think Sylar will keep Mohinder, Noah and Claire alive because they are useful to him.

Where do all the brains go that Sylar has erm…collected. My guess is to the research facility at Primtech. Mohinder's Dad must have originally worked as a scientist for Primetech only to defect when he learned of their evil intentions.

The reason the company keeps the particularly dangerous baddies must be to perform research on them with a view to cloning perhaps? and developing the formulae to both take and give the powers to individuals good and bad. I'm guessing the final War episode in this series is some sort of Clone wars/Return of the King armageddon type debacle.

I don't think Mohinder's dad worked for Primatech bvecause in season 1 episode 'six months ago' they showed that Chandra Suresh meets Noah Bennett for the first time in regards to Claire's abilities. If he had been working for the company, I think he would have known him already.

also, Peter's amnesia is gone now, thanks in part to Angela in the future, so Peter should be able to remember all the abilities he acquired in Season 1.

Why is Sylar able to go nuclear?
Didn't he lose all his abilities from season 1 already?

All right, Sylar did not lose any of the abilities he already had once he got the virus, because at the end of season 2, he got them all back. Also, Peter got his memory back completely because of Adam, not Angela. Angela did get him to remember HER, but not all of his memories. That was the subject of Four Months Ago… last season, remember?

And Mohinder's formula? He figured out last season that he completely fucked it up. He gave himself powers, sure…with side effects. I'm sure that all of these powers are still there, they just haven't had a need to use them, that's all.

I also think that peter has all his powers like being invisible, but just doesnt use them…. just like elle's electric thing… in season 2 he was all for that power…… and at the moment its all different ones lol

On a side note……
When did Present Peter get the Blue Flame throwing power ?
He only met blue flame thrower dude… when he was in jesse's body and wasnt it suggested that Present Peter didnt have his powers but just jesse's ? so how did he manage to get the blue fame throwing….. sorry i cant rememba his name lol

i thoguht sylar lost all his powers except the telekentic one, thats wot it says on the wiki

i dont understand how peter died when he got shot.. she said one shot in the back of the head but i sweare he just got shot in theback

maybe cuz the haitian was around? idk.

And sylar lost all his powers except his original and telekinesis. maybe he encountered some other people with radiation and painting.

Well, I think that Peter still absorbed all of the Villains abilities while he was inside Jesse, but there is also another possibility. When Future Peter stopped time and got Present Peter out of Jesse, he was in contact with the other three remaining Villains. It might be possible that he got Flint's flaming power then. I'm pretty sure that Sylar got all of his powers back once he got the virus' cure. Remember, telekinesis was NOT his first ability. His first ability was the intuitive thing.

Ok, I just checked the Heroes Wiki. It says that "the only powers he acquired before the infection THAT HE HAS DEMONSTRATED are telekinesis and his original power." He ALWAYS uses telekinesis, so there's really no shock there. I guess he just hasn't had much need to use any of the other powers before now.

Peter still has all the abilities he ever has had, including the new ones that he SHOULD have (blue flame, turn fear into strength, Intuitive Aptitude, not sure about sound manipulation)

Gabriel DOES NOT have any powers, or shouldn't have any powers other than (Intuitive Aptitude, Telekenesis, Indestructibility, Seeing the history of objects/people?, Sound Manipulation) I think that's all but he might have gone for more after taking Claire's (but he does not have Bianca's lung adaptation ability (read the GN)

Future Gabriel must have "acquired" another Nuclear ability other than Ted Sprague because very similar to Peter's explosion at the end of S1, Gabriel goes nuclear after repeatedly punching Knox in the face. Also he must have "acquired" another painting ability as well.

I'm guessing Future Peter wasn't able to heal because the Haitian got to him rather quickly and prevented him from healing, and finally I was wrong about my formula theory, but doesn't make sense why the BIG formula (2 parts) gives the abilities instead of taking them away (see Formula thread for why they should take away abilities)

Mohinder created a false formula which gave him super strength/jumping/agility and more but he got it "wrong, so wrong" and he appears to becoming a literal monster, Mohinder didn't cause the future, Hiro/Ando did by letting Arthur? get both parts of the secret formula.

I think that Sylar got the rest of his powers (painting and nuclear) back after getting Claire's power. I think he healed his brain just like Peter healed his after Adam told him that his healing could over-ride the Hatian's effects. That doesn't fit so well though because that should have worked right when he injected the cure since it was half Mohinder's blood and half Claire's.

Either or I'm going to pretend that Sylar never lost any of his powers after getting the the antidote. That just doesn't make sense that one (telekenesis) would stay but the rest would go.

You know, unless his memory got erases, he should just be able to picture what the brains looked like and just adapt his body again. I would think that he could also learn powers from a book is all he has to do is see the brain…

ALSO, I thought that was just paioti or some other "spiritual drug" that the African was giving Matt, but that seems like something that induces a particular power, almost like the syrum that Mohinder made or that the company had the formula for. Maybe just like that but more specific?

he killed ted, the hero that can become nuclear in season 1 and gained his powers

Claire killed Ted.

When did this happen? I was always in the impression that Sylar killed Ted and NOT Claire!

I thought thought Claire shot him while he was in the process of nuking the Bennet house.

No she didn't. She just injected him with a tranquilizer. Ted was killed by Sylar when he was being taken by the police…towards the end of season 1…don't remember the episode no.

company men

Company man was the one where Ted was about ot blow up Bennet house. I was asking for the episode where Sylar kills Ted while he was being taken in a police van.

landslide i think

Just checked it… yup it's Landslide… thanks!

Anyone wanna take a take a stab at why Peter would need to go see Sylar while in the future to take his intuitive ability if he had more than once been in his presence on many occasions and should already have absorbed it as well as the hunger? Even Future Sylar should have known and told him that.

I agree it's pretty stupid to erase all of his acquired abilities other than TK, however what if he saved the part of Brian's brain or the entire brain or something to that effect just in case something like this happened? It would explain why he kept telekenisis…

Also Sylar killing Ted in S1 is irrelevant, that's not where he gained the nuclear ability this time around, he must have found other enhanced humans in the upcoming years with the abilities that he exhibited in Ep4.

Rob – I was wondering that at first too, here's what I concluded. I think Peter already DID have intuitive aptitude but he either didn't know what it was or know how to use it, which I think he said once. "I need to understand your ability" I just think he needed a little help "understanding" the power in order to "understand how things work"

yeah i know, Alzeana
i was just questioning if the shanti virus DID take away all of Sylar's old powers

i don't think Sylar would go through all the trouble to find another nuclear person or a future painter again though
moreover, he was supposed to have toned down these 4 years and not be going around killing and obtaining random powers

ok are they going to go back to present day or are they just gunna skip those 4 years

and who was it again that sent matt to africa? and was it just a fluke that the african guy with powers found him or was that planned?

Future Peter sent Matt Parkman to Africa so that he wouldn't get in the way of his plans.

Okay, I think I might, MIGHT have an explanation as to why Sylar suddenly had painting and radiation manipulation in the future, and only his own and telekinesis in the present post-virus. I rewatched The Second Coming last night and he said that he was completely healed "well, mostly." I think that the cure got rid of all of the Shanti virus, but was only able to restore two of his most common abilities: his own (intuitive aptitude) and telekinesis. this might be because there was only a little bit of Claire's blood and it was diluted very quickly. However, once he got Claire's ability, it restored ALL of his abilities, similar to Peter restoring all of his memories once Adam figured out how to trigger the healing ability and it healed the "damaged" part of Peter's brain. Again, that is just a thought. It's possible that Sylar found two more people that had the ability to paint the future and manipulate radiation, but I think this is kind of the simpler way. And, because of Sylar's ability to know the inner workings of things, he would have been able to figure this out, I'm sure. It's just a thought, though. Hopefully we'll find out sometime.

hatian theory doesnt work with future peter cause past peter managed to teleport away and future peter was never shot in the head something is off there

I saw him pluck it out…
That's it.

Did I miss something
I'd like to know so I can go to sleep happy.

power of osmosis?

well I am very glad all the talk of him eating brains didn't convince the writers that that was a good idea cause it wasn't. (they have teased us with that idea a few times in the past ie Sylar saying "I just wanna sink my teeth") he just knows how things work as it has been since season 1. he took something that he need from her brain and somehow figured out a way to use it. It's what he has always done. I don't think they are goin to elaborate on it much more than that, they don't need to. They just needed to shut up the people who were saying he eats them. But anyways if they do elaborate on it more it's probably somethin like what I said. Remember how he could fix watches and shit…..there ya go.

i think every person with an ability is different, in terms of how their brain works. Sylar basically finds out how their ability functions with the brain and then perhaps applies that to his own.

i guess, he figured out how Claire's brain functioned with regeneration, thus making his own brain function the same way.

hahah i loved the tease line where he mentions that 'eating brains is ridiculous' by the way that people speculated it.

Sylar: "Claire, that's digusting."

He just looks at it and figures how they work… BUT how come we never see the remains of the brain from other victims?

I think you are right about how he just figures it out and then applies it to himself.

The fact that he knows how things work and then fixes them makes me think that there was something wrong with Claire before and he fixed her while he was playing with her brain, which is why she can no longer feel pain. She's slowly changing into her ultimate form I think.

Thats an interesting theory, but this isn't Dragonball Z, I don't think they have ultimate forms, although the imagery that brought to mind was nice, Hiro with his sword all Super Saiyan-ish and glowy. Nice XD

Why do you think she was left with having no feeling left when she gets injured? Something Syler did, I assume? Done on purpose or a result of picking her brain?

I think he plucked out the part of the brain that is responsible for sensing pain ……

i dont even want to know how he does it. it was funny at the part where caire was like "your not going to eat it?"
thaen sylar was like. "thats digusting claire" lol how he said it just made me laugh. i

Yeah, I was wondering about that too; was hoping they'd address that issue as well.

Maybe he flushes them down the toilet like that cop speculated back in Season 1 :P

lol, I wasn't thinking about Goku when I wrote that but I see what you mean. I was referring more to an awareness of her full power and potential, much like Matt discovered that he could eventually do more than just mind read. I think her feeling of pain was a tie to her humanity and in someways was also a barrier to the hidden well of power within her.

I'm pretty sure she couldnt feel pain before the incident with Sylar. Id have to rewatch the episodes to see exactly where it was.

the pain was the only way she could feel human, sylar is trying to turn her..

Yep, I definately agree… he took her ability to feel pain….. that's creepy!

yes that sux but is that the real present now? because the present from last season was compleatly diffrent. *it truly is a butterfly effect*
but on the topic of sylar nd his *brains* in the first episods he said that his first atempts to get inside there heads were a bit messy nd over time he got better at is so for the *missing* brains i think it has to do with timing because some one was always finding the bodys so he probably just took the brain with him to tinker with it but as for claire he had time to sit there and mess with it
well thats my theory

What I wanna know, is if claires ability allows her to regenerate her toe, why wouldnt her body regrow her scalp right after it was cut open by sylar.

Now, he mentions she cant die even if he wanted to kill her, but he had to put her scalp back on her head even after he left her alone which I think would negate the whole thing about having an obstruction that wouldnt allow her to regrow it.

And did he really pluck something out?, because he was definitely making noises pulling that knife out, and she was twitching due to her situation.

I don't believe he took anything out just used his finger to find the right spot and the poking caused her twitching when he hit control areas.I don't think he took Claire's ability to feel pain away it seems like it would be a natural progression possibly sped up by his poking around. There are just so many questions Mondays wont come fast enough!

so what about the whole head cutting off rule that they had in season 2? like with adam monroe for instance, does claires ability go beyond that? is she truly immortal and cant be killed? and can sylar now feel pain becuz he took that from claire? becuz in level 5, he said ouch softly when noah shot him.

hmm daniel that is interesting, im wondering the same thing. maybe her head is the only part that cant regenerate, i dont imagine her growing a new head if someone cuts that one off, so is she really immortal? what about that time when she got the stick in her head in season 1…it seemed like it shut her down until it was taken out by someone else. same thing happened to peter with the glass shard.

maybe sylar keeps all the brains somewhere, in a lab or something

i think i have an idea…there was a woman in the comics who could drain a persons power by touching their skin, so maybe sylar can do the same things with peoples brains?

eh I dont know. Her powers are really evolving. someone mentioned in another discussion that just because she seems to only regenerate doesnt mean she can't do more. We all thought matt was just a telepath but now he can influence and control minds. So she just might have a few aces up her sleeve! Either that or she gets her head ripped off lol

ya i think u r right… sylar said that there is more to her powers than she herself knows about it… so i think there is more to her powers than just healing.

She might also be that pure blood that Hiro's dad was talking about in the tape since Hiros dad said it had to be blood was was more pure than all of them or something like that

Always more to claire than we can figure out! I'm waiting for her to shoot lasers from her eyes and drink peoples blood at this point XD

I think there is more to both Claire and Sylar. As far as him being evil I think we saw a different side to him in his interaction with Claire. I mean are they really trying to say that he couldn't just bust into that closet after her just because she chained the handles together? Come on. He even said that the others died b/c they didn't have her ability. He's pretty methodical and very matter-of-fact about what he does. I don't think he necessarily enjoys killing so much as his need to attain power. I just want to know what his ultimate plan or end goal really is. In any case, I think he's always felt a connection with Claire, which I guess makes more sense now that we know he is also her uncle.

where was bobs brain we could see claires brain in the top of her head but not bobs
any ideas?

I agree with whoever said Sylar is trying to turn claire. Sylar has the ability to paint the future. Maybe he saw that he had to take away her pain to hurt her spirit. He definately took something from her though.

Ok so I say a traiiler and you see Niki, looking over…Niki funeral, how is this possible, the only thing that could make sense, this is going to sound weird but hi, this is heroes….could one of her personlity's died and she is still alive, or she could be die, and one of her personlities are still alive. Just a thought

I don't know. It's possible that something happened similar to what happened in one of the seasons of Smallville. Chloe supposedly died in an explosion, but in the next season, it shows that she was rushed into a safe thing right before the explosion. Maybe she managed to find a way out at the last second and hit her head, thus bringing about another personality and causing her real self to be suppressed or something. Like you said, anything's possible.

There have been some who've theorized that Tracy Strauss is actually the REAL Jessica, spirited away when she was younger and not really killed by her father's abuse. Given a new life and a new name, maybe. It's not a bad theory and is a comic standard, so it would work.

So in the theory, Niki isn't niki, but possible her little sister who thought she was Niki, while Niki is someone else who is the really Niki, thats crazy, that insane…..that's heroes, I don't know that seems to pushed just to keep niki alive. But hi shes hot, so I won't complain

I dont know about anyone else but i couldve done without nikki's character coming back, i just found her storyline so boring

You won't say that after you see what Tracy Strauss, has instore for us. I'm afraid this could be Ali Larter's last season in Heroes however.

Good because since S1 her storyline went NOWHERE! I guess i'll give her credit for introducing us to DL and Micah but other than that Niki and her storyline were really bad…

Well I can't say Niki was bad, her storyline was shit though. Ali Larter played an amazing role as superschitz what a character…not her fault her arc went nowhere, lol

i agree completely. of all the people who i'd like to c go niki is #1 on the list.

Yes Niki Saunder is officially "DEAD". Niki died in the explosion last season hence, why you see her in the coffin and Tracy looking at her!

Micah, Monica and Ali will leave in this Volume. I'm still awaiting word of Molly as well.

I remember reading that they toyed with the idea of giving niki the power to be in two places at once. Is that the new power or is it still going to be super strength?

I'm not allowed to disclose to much info here anymore. I can hint that Ali Larter's character will havea "Brand" new power, for "Villains".

she didnt die, did you know that her powers are mutlipied personalities? and she can absorve/use that personality power? so we saw another personality in S2 (not jessica) i forgot her name…but she might have saved nikki somehow…anyhow we do not know what is exactly her powers, nor with some characters. so just wait it out for S3 =]

I personally thought that Gina (her "new" personality) was completely useless. I mean, Jessica kind of made sense. It was the off-point for Niki, and it kind of gave a little bit of Niki's backstory, as Jessica was Niki's dead sister (I think that she might have been her twin, don't know for sure). I've heard somewhere that Tracy Strauss, Ali Larter's new character, might actually be Jessica, who wasn't dead, just smuggled away, with no memory of her past. I think that THAT might actually be a Heroes twist, and I might actually enjoy that. Otherwise, I'm afraid that Niki's storyline is actually getting somewhat stagnant.

I assume you mean Niki SANDERS is dead. :)

Couple questions: how is Tracy looking at Niki's corpse? If she died in an EXPLOSION how would there be anything left of her for an open casket funeral?

Secondly, in the same vein, how did Peter know he could phase ("Four Months Ago")? He never met D.L., never knew that power existed, and never used it prior to the escape scene. He wasn't even ever really that up close and personal w/ D.L. at Kirby Plaza in "How to Stop an Exploding Man" either. It's been bugging me for awhile now.

I'm not trying to be a wet blanket, but it seems like a lot of the creative decisions that are being made are made without much thought process. This isn't the first time that there's been serious continuity issues (see: Shanti Suresh's date of death from Vol. One). Isn't there someone, ya know, in charge of making sure the info is exact?

Not to start a debate, but it's one of the main reasons why LOST is a much better show. There are NO discrepancies on that show because every detail matters. The Heroes writers seem to be doing whatever works best for the storyline and not what ACTUALLY happened before.

Hahaha yes Matt, I mean't Niki Sanders LOL.

To answer yours Questions. It's all part of a huge twist coming up between Tracy, Linderman and Nathan.

The phasing by Peter without actually being near D.L Hawk still Baffles me as well. The writers claim that, due to D.L being within close proximity of Peter. Peter absorbed the phasing, but that makes no sense to me at all. D.L and Peter weren't that close at all at Kirby Plaza. If anything D.L was inside the building while Peter was outdoors.

I absolutely concur 100% on the inconsistency and discrepancies in Heroes. Kring and the writers are trying to resolve this issue creatively in the future. NBC Universal exec's actually complained to Kring about this very issue. Hence why Kring himself had to resort back to the season 1 strategem of success formula.

I'm kind of thinking that, perhaps, they will explain some of the questions that were up in the air for the series. Hopefully, anyway. Otherwise…well…it is still a kickass show. lol

My main problem with the whole Peter phasing thing is that it would have taken a couple lines of dialogue to explain the whole thing. Por ejemplo:

Peter: "Who were those people anyway? I know Claire, her dad, Hiro…who was that woman who helped me? Who was the guy who was with her and those two kids? What did they have to do with all that?"

Bob: "They're 'special' people too, pawns in Linderman's attempt to bring about world peace through mass destruction. Their names aren't important, and, yes, it's possible you acquired more than one new ability that night and right now you're too volatile to find out. If you tried to use just one of those powers, you could go off again."

Elle: "So don't try walking through walls just yet or try to 'tal-'."

Bob: "Elle…. Peter, we don't know the scope of your ability or all the ones you may have acquired yet. But we'll find out, in time, when you're ready."

That's all it needed. Hell, they could have even done it in a comic. It wouldn't have taken much.

When Peter was being trained by "The Invisible Man" he pulled out his power of telekinesis even though he had not even realised that he had absorbed it.
So…how close does Peter have to be to absorb someone's power? He certainly doesnt have to touch them, as he was standing a decent distance from "The Exploding Man" when he absorbed his power. He wasn't standing that far away from D.L in the plaza as he was close enough for Nikki to sneak up and smash Sylar with that pole indicating that at most he was 6 or 7 metres away from D.L.

I am more like wondering about Angela's dream(everyone's dead where Adam standing next to Nikki does it implied that she is the one who is going to dig him out and that she is his bribe(as he told in comicses liing in coffin now I new one and she will find me)

I don't think we need to pay attention to that dream now, Michael. That was part of pre-Strike Heroes, before they had to change everything. Now, I don't know if they are even going to use it.

Although, since Niki really is dead, that could very possibly be Tracy Strauss instead of Niki…

I believe his new bride is named Sophie, a Company agent who has a power similar to Molly's: she can locate evolved humans. I've seen that a couple places, but no idea if it's actually what's going to happen or what.

http://tv.ign.com/dor/objects/827560/heroes/images/heroes-s3-ali_larter-IGN_exclusive_1221063287.html

So, that looks like Tracy might possiibly have the same power as Linderman?

i read somewhere Tracy controls water not sure if is true

Goodbye Niki Sanders we will miss you. http://www.heroes-france.com/forum/photo_16991.htm?full=true

I always and will forever love Niki she was so warm and rational http://www.heroes-france.com/forum/photo_16992.htm?full=true

I've heard some talk about some scene of Niki's funeral being featured in one of the previews, but I think I've missed it. Can someone provide a link or perhaps a picture of it?

for preview's and behind the scenes go too

http://spoilertv-heroes.blogspot.com/

need I say more!~~