Our Life

1. everytime you hear one of the 'numbers' you spend the rest of the day trying to figure out its significance

but we already know what its significance is….I CANT WAIT FOR FEB

3. You call people "brotha" and when saying goodbye say "see you in another life ya?"

4. You find yourself tracing connections between people you know now and people in your past for potential "flashbacks"

5. Your favorite saying "Don't tell me what I can't do!"

6. You find yourself muttering "4,8,15,16,23,42" to yourself more then 5 times a day

Lol….YEah, I have found myself noticing people more in my life. Lookin' for flashbacks…lol..I find myself wanting to build a fort on a deserted island and want to make shady videos that mean nothing. Thats me.

When you try to convince your boyfriend to grow his hair out like Sawyer's… wait, maybe I'm just addicted to Sawyer… oh wel…

When you like to push computer buttons that you yourself have labeled "execute". The ticker that says 108 is above my computer…..Oh!, i need to push the button….

When your work availability doesn't include Wednesday nights.

I actually schedule things around LOST and make no exceptions, lol.

when you jump out of your seat when you hear the words "Previosly on LOST…"

Previously on Lost

I solved a major question on Lost last night.

Everyone ready?

It is indeed Carlton Cuse doing the "Previously On Lost" at the begining of the show. I was watching Brisco County Jr. yesterday and the same voice came on to say "Previously, on Brisco".

When you think about the Jack/Jukiet/Kate/Sawyer relationship more than your own ….

I'm addicted as well. I start noticing connections between people I know (there are a lot of them once you take notice). And my work hours have to be schedule around wednesday nights. Damn… I need help! LOL.

Lol. You know your addicted when you go in the woods looking for a beautiful black horse….Where is that damn horse?

When people who don't watch the show are surprised to hear your voice on wednesday nights between 10pm-11pm…. Or how surprised they are when you actually make plans with them on this night…. obviously not knowing that the season is over…

When you spend alot of time on a facebook forum disscussing Lost and trying to work out where else you've seen the Lost actors before.

13. When you fly on a plane, and you look at these complete strangers and wonder if you all crashed on an island, who you would become close to.

14. You put maps up all over your walls with the suggested co-ordinates of the island circled in red and marked with push pins.

15. You wonder what Anna Lucia and Sawyers baby would have been like

16. You start assuming your best friend named "Dave" is imaginary and keep treating him like a delusion, when he is clearly not.

17. You search through every candy store you can find looking for "Apollo" bars

18. You search through every music store you can find looking for the "Driveshaft" album

19. Whenever your family goes to the beach you spend the whole day searching for a cable in the sand.

20. You set up crude versions of Rousseu's "death traps" in your backyard

HAHHA, i always do this,

When u make that windy noise wen u leave a building or sumhing

When u ty open the sewer doors on the streets thinkin its a hatch

13. When you fly on a plane, and you look at these complete strangers and wonder if you all crashed on an island, who you would become close to.

LOL

the plane thing is SO true…lol

i always say 'you're gonna die charlie," in a weird scottish accent

LOL PHILIP thats good

21. When confronted with a problem, you ask yourself, "what you jack do?" or "what would locke do?"

22. When confronted with a problem, you use the numbers to help you answer.

23. You suddenly have a bitter relationship with your parents, when such problems never existed before.

When you throw crazy spazzs at people when they say "Pfft, lost sucks, house/greys/heroes is better" or "what a stupid show, it's only about people being trapped onm a stupid island trying to get off".

they you stop talking to these people for a whole.

OR

You use 4 8 15 16 23 42 to try to win the lottery

OR

You begin to pronounce words differently like they do in lost (ie. Advertisement (Mikhail). ad.ver.dis.mint as opposed to ad.ver.tize.mint)

OR

Like me, you make a facebook account and ONLY use it to go on ADDICTED TO LOST, because you are "addicted to lost", and you emphasize it on your msn name. Your only two facebook friends are lost fans, you add nobody else, and are in one network. ADDICTED TO LOST!

OR

you bought a BUNCH of Dharma stickers off the internet and placed them all over your merchandise covering any brand names. (Sony telephone? hell no this is Dharma!), and covered all the HONDA signs on your car with Dharma stickers

-When on a hike in the woods:
-you constantly shoulder check for the smoke monster.
-you demand you be the only one that goes because its "too dangerous"
- You check under every bush for "hatches"
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- You refer to the people on the north side of your apartment building as "the others" and the people on the east side as "the tailies"
- You have a strong urge to protect pregnant women from said "others"

…When you've gone in to the action figure section of toysrus to buy the Lost action figures

…When you've spent $65 on a box of Lost trading cards and protective plastic sheets to place them in.

:] and yes…i have done both [:

When you draw LOST graffiti on your friends facebook walls

-When you wait by the mailbox for your Charlie action figure and your "I'm A Bloody Rock God" T-Shirt and jump for joy when you see the UPS man coming down your street.

[I got the action figure, still waiting for the T-Shirt]

-When you record sayings onto your phone and use them as your text message tone [EG- Hurley, "You got some... Arzt on you."]

When you're mad when your favorite LOST websites (such as lost-forum or thefuselage or lost.cubit.net) are experiencing a heavy amount of traffic right after a new episode airs, causing you to not be able to post your thoughts in the forums or see what everyone else thought..thats what happens to me, at least :)

When you wonder why none of the food in your pantry has a Dharma logo on it.

Round 2 continues. "Through the Looking Glass" and "Exodus, Part 2" will continue to Round 3, eliminating "Lockdown" and "Orientation."
So let's continue, Match 3. There will be 8 matches in Round 2 and the second one seems like a pretty strong group. It's 2 season 3 episodes vs. 1 season 1 vs. 1 season 3 episodes. Let's see who survives. Here are the Match 2 episodes:

"Live Together, Die Alone"
First aired: 5/24/2006 Production Code: 223
After discovering something odd just offshore, Jack and Sayid come up with a plan to confront "The Others" and hopefully get Walt back. Meanwhile, Eko and Locke come to blows as Locke makes a potentially cataclysmic decision regarding the "button" and the hatch. Lastly, Desmond returns and he sheds some more light on his experience on the island in the three years prior to when Locke came down into that hatch.

"The Brig"
First aired: 5/2/2007 Production Code: 319
After abandoning the Others, Locke takes Sawyer on a trek through the jungle to help him eliminate a common enemy. Meanwhile, back at the beach, the parachutist Naomi has crucial information about flight 815.

"Deus Ex Machina"
First aired: 3/30/2005 Production Code: 118
Locke thinks he's being sent a sign on how to get the hatch open, and he and Boone venture inland. Jack is reluctant to offer assistance when Sawyer begins to experience excruciating headaches and needs glasses.

"Greatest Hits"
First aired: 5/16/2007 Production Code: 321
Charlie makes a list of the best moments of his life. Once again, Desmond has foreseen his death, but this time Charlie decides to face it head on. Jack devises a plan to fight back when the Others arrive, but unexpected developments jeopardize everything. Sayid discovers a way to contact Naomi's ship, but it requires a sacrifice. Everyone is on edge, as the first major confrontation with the Others approaches.

10 Live Together, Die Alone
10 The Brig
10 Deus Ex Machina
10 Greatest Hits

wow, this round is intense.. i loved all of these.

11 The Brig 1 –Sawyers best acting all season
11 Deus Ex Machina 1 –one of my favorites
09 Greatest Hits -1 –…but he could have got out through the window…
09 Live Together, Die Alone -1 — i cant believe i just gave this -1…

Oooooh this is the toughest one yet.

Now, Live Together Die Alone is the go-to answer here, and I would say Greatest Hits is the weakest of this group… But the Brig and Dues Ex….. fuck.

Two super Lockisodes. Fuck fuck fuck. Yuck. This is a bitch and a half.

You know what, I'm not even gonna make that decision:

11 The Brig –Sawyers best acting all season
11 Deus Ex Machina –one of my favorites
07 Greatest Hits -2 –…but he could have got out through the window…
11 Live Together, Die Alone 2 — i cant believe i just gave this -1…

Im just wussing out and putting all my votes into LTDA

i think its bull that four locke episodes have been up already and all of them have been pitted against each other. these are all extremely solid episodes, the weakest id have to say is greatest hits. the problem is i cant possibly vote off a locke episode. if i had to say one was more superior than the other, i would say that deus ex was better. it was the introduction of his father and one of the best finales to an episode ever (locke banging on the hatch and then it glowing). without doubt the epitome of how awesome season 1 was. thus it pains me but i say ultimately the brig will have to go. but for now ill join zack and take the easy route out.

11 The Brig – Stellar but bot as good as Deus, lets face it
13 Deus Ex Machina 2 – I would have to say one of my top three favorite episodes ever…simply amazing
05 Greatest Hits -2 – Although the best Charlie episode ever, its up against three heavyweights
11 Live Together, Die Alone – Although in my opinion the weakest of all three finales (is that blasphemy?), it is after all a finale and it must go on

by the way this round sucks…godspeed locke

11 The Brig
14 Deus Ex Machina 1
03 Greatest Hits -2
12 Live Together, Die Alone 1

All of these episodes are great…but it comes down to the top 2 in my mind: Live Together, Die Alone, a fantastic season finale and Deus Ex Machina, much better than The Brig.

Brig and Dues Ex are a hard pair to choose between…. one introduces Locke's great nemesis Anthony Cooper, the other ends him.

11 The Brig
16 Deus Ex Machina 2
03 Greatest Hits
10 Live Together, Die Alone -2

Live Together Die Alone?! that has to make it past this round its the best in this group!

16 Deus Ex Machina
13 The Brig 2
10 Live Together, Die Alone
01 Greatest Hits -2

fucking hard, brig, deus and LTDA would probably all be in my top 6 or 7 episodes of all time

16 Deus Ex Machina
12 The Brig -1
12 Live Together, Die Alone 2
00 Greatest Hits -1

this round is gonna take awhile…i say LTDA and Deus move on…the brig was an excellent episode, dont get me wrong…probably one of the best of the 3rd season…but Deus was a gem of the first season…a perfect example of how awesome Lost is. i mean i wouldnt be too upset if Deus was eliminated but hey whatever.

16 Deus Ex Machina
10 The Brig -2
14 Live Together, Die Alone 2
00 Greatest Hits -1

No way I'm letting LT, DA get eliminated

yeah this is a deadly round, one has to eventually win, so sick episodes like LTDA or Brig are gunna get chucked along the way…this probably wont even be the hardest matches of round 2, well probably run into a couple matches with 4 amazing eps, im looking forward to this shit

14 Deus Ex Machina -2
11 The Brig 1
15 Live Together, Die Alone 1

Eliminated: Greatest Hits

Tough choice…

16 Deus Ex Machina 2
15 Live Together, Die Alone
09 The Brig -2

Eliminated: Greatest Hits

17 Deus Ex Machina 1
16 Live Together, Die Alone 1
07 The Brig -2

16 Live Together, Die Alone
15 Deus Ex Machina -2
09 The Brig 2

14 Live Together, Die Alone -2
16 Deus Ex Machina
11 The Brig 2

16 Live Together, Die Alone 2
15 Deus Ex Machina -1
10 The Brig -1

Still cant bring myself to decide between the two.

its a very tough decision but as ive said earlier, i think deus was a better episode by a very tiny amount…that and i just cant bring myself to see that episode get eliminated…the hospital scene and the hatch scene were just too good to be true.

17 Deus Ex Machina 2
16 Live Together, Die Alone
8 The Brig -2

17 Deus Ex Machina
14 Live Together, Die Alone -2
10 The Brig 2

The Brig was by far one of the best episodes of the series. It contained the two most interesting characters at the top of theire game. This is without a doubt sawyer's best episode and is excellent as usual.

locke is excellent as usual is what imeant to say. sorry.

Tough call, but LT, DA was definitely the worst of the 3 season finales. Maybe this is because so much has not yet been answered – Penny, the statue, Desmond. I loved the Brig & Deus Ex Machina was as previously described the epitome of awesomeness for season 1.

18 Deus Ex Machina 1
14 Live Together, Die Alone -2
9 The Brig 1

18 Deus Ex Machina
16 Live Together, Die Alone 2
7 The Brig -2

Sorry, but I'm not letting The Brig through.

18 Deus Ex Machina
18 Live Together, Die Alone 2
5 The Brig -2

18 Deus Ex Machina
20 Live Together, Die Alone 2
3 The Brig -2

20 Deus Ex Machina 2
20 Live Together, Die Alone
1 The Brig -2

hope the next match is just as good!

22 Live Together, Die Alone 2
19 Deus Ex Machina -1
0 The Brig -1

The Brig and Greatest Hits have been eliminated…next match tomorrow!

The person above you will pit two characters (dead or alive, LOSTie or Other, DHARMA or random background character, flashback people, etc) againist each other, and you decide who wins! Then, think of someone new to fight the winner :P

Ethan vs Goodwin

Ethan vs. Hurley

Sorry, Hurley

Ethan vs. Mikhail.

Mikhail vs. Desmond

Desmond vs Ana-Lucia

we all saw what Desmond did to a CIA man. A cop should be no trouble.

Desmond vs. Juliet

Desmond vs. Polar bear

Desmond vs. Mr. Eko

Mr. Eko vs. Smoke Monster

smoke monster vs jacob

Whoa now, that's a fight I'd like to see xD

Jacob vs the feet of Sayid (come on, they broke a guy's neck hahaha)

Sayid's feet vs the four toed statue.
(sorry I had to)

sayid's feet vs. locke

locke vs. Mr. Paik's hitman (from Jin flashback)

hahah NOOO sayid's feet!

Locke (he has the power of the Island, man) vs. Eko Jesus Stick tag team

Locke vs. Ben

Locke vs. the gang of Thai people who beat jack up

Locke vs. The eletric fence

Locke vs Mikhail

Mikhail vs. grenade

mikhail vs. rousseau

The Island vs the Four Toe'd statue would have been a cool fight to see, I mean come on, the freaking island tore the guys body from his foot!

Rousseau .. I think she has some tricks up her sleeve .. vs Walt

Walt freaks the hell out of me
Walt vs Jacob

jacob.

jacob and sun

Jacob vs. Technology

Technology vs. Leslie Arzt

Leslie Arzt vs old dynamite from an old slaving ship in hot weather that sweats nitroglycerin (highly explosive)

seen this one somewhere before… gonna have to go with
old dynamite from an old slaving ship in hot weather that sweats nitroglycerin (highly explosive) vs. Rousseu's traps

old dynamite from an old slaving ship in hot weather that sweats nitroglycerin (highly explosive) vs. Juliets pregnant sister with cancer

So the auctioneer said that the book was "held in Hanso's family" and hadn't been revealed since recently.. even though the book was on a boat from 1845 (or something).. who wants to bet that he found the book on the black rock on the island (in more recent times) and is selling it to make more money for research.

and whats weird is that Pennys dad bought it!

How would Hanso get the book if the Black Rock crashed on the island.

i started watching lost late, yea im a late bloomer. so can somebody explain what hanso and the black rock is

yeah I heard that too.. Alvar Hanso is the Asian guy on those tapes right?

I knew that Penny's Dad was going to tie into whats going on on the island.

yeah craaaazyyy!

Yeah.. I wouldn't be surprised if he just grabbed the book off the boat and decided to sell it when he got back to the real world (assuming he traveled back and forth between the main land and island.. which Im assuming)

Alvar Hanso is not the asian guy, he is the head of the Hanso Foundation, the group who funded the DHARMA Initiative:

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Hanso_Foundation

that's right, thanks

In the details at the auction didn't they say the book was recovered originally from Pirates, and then Hanso and his family were the only ones to see it?

the journal was found by pirates in Madagascar, the auctioneer said that. Hanso didn't have to be on the island to have it. My first thought was that he got a hold of it and that started or had something to do with all his research and whatnot. But then, the hanso foundation exists more in the pseudo-outside world than it does in the show. Probably more goose-chase stuff.

It said the journal was recovered FROM pirates in Madagascar 7(?) years after the Black Rock went missing. Apparently, the ship was pirated before it crashed on the island. Or those pirates were very lucky to find their way off the island.

Well considering Alvar is a major financial contributor to Dharma, I think it's safe to say that they could have recovered the book for him. Or, since Alvar evidently had a way to reach the Island already, it's possible he retrieved it himself.

No, Alvar Hanso is the head of the Hanso Foundation and one of the driving forces behind the Dharma Initiative.

Or it's a lie about the journal's past. Yet another in a long line of attempts to keep the Island's location a secret.

my theory:

Demond is in the Amry in '96,
and on the island in '04.

Penny has been looking for Des for 3 years since he crashed during the Boat race, '01.

So in '96 Mr. Whitmore bought the book, and then, in previous seasons, we've seen Mr. Whitmore give a map to Desmond Before the boat race, he hates Desmond and wants him away from his daughter… did Mr. Whitmore try intentionally send Desmond to the island to get rid of him

The ship went missing in 1881.

can anyone explain how the black rock is in the middle of the island, not on the beach where a ship would crash. how could a massive ship be transported across an island?

Interesting Jaclyn.

I had been thinking similar.

We knew he gave Desmond the map, so this is us now finding out about the book (with possible map to Island?)

Mr Whitmore made sure Desmond would find Penny, so handed him the address (maybe he knows about the time difference and consequences of going to/ from the island, and in order for him to find out more, he actually needs Desmonds help, so makes sure he can contact his "constant" Penny)

I do believe the freighter people are working for Penny's Dad

Also, the lot number for the auction was 2342, the same as what desmond had to tell faraday in 96

23 and 42 are also part of "the" numbers that were on the hatch, had to be entered every 108 minutes and Hurley's winning lotto ticket.

were those numbers also in penny's phone number i can't remember what it was

Penny's phone number was 7946 0893. The digits add up to 42.

wasn't magnus hanso, alvar's grandfather, the captain of the black rock?

Yes, (well, great-grandfather) he was also the owner of the shipping company which owned The Black Rock. Check it out:

http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Magnus_Hanso

well for me, it looks like the following: Charles Eidmore is a powerful man with lots of money, just like Alvar Hanso, I wouldn't be suprised that he might turn his competiter, and been looking for the Island for a very long time; we will find out eventually..

According to the Lost experience, Charles Widmore is in cahoots with Thomas Mittelwerk, who as of the present on Lost, is running the Hanso Foundation.

Thx, I didn't know that as I don't read LOST experience…

The Lost Experience was an ARG(Alternate reality game) between the second and third seasons.

Just head over to lostpedia.com and check it out. The game is over, but all the information revealed is on Lostpedia.

He's not a huge guy….he probably could have fit. I miss Charlie

Me too, but he let himself die because he thought that's the only way for Claire and Aaron to get off the island *tear*

Even if he couldnt fit, why didnt he get out of the room and close the door instead of locking himself in Thats been bugging the crap out of me.

that is complete BS he could have still escaped and Claire and Aaron be rescued…since Kate is raising Aaron in the future things don't look so great for Claire but i will be super PO'ed if they kill her. i don't get why Charlie couldn't have run out with Desmond…i mean Desmond got back so could have Charlie RIP Charlie Pace

Swim out of a porthole with rushing water? Okay, assuming he can fit, and assuming he can deftly maneuver his way through it, there's no way he could overcome that water pressure. There's just no way.

all he had to do when he saw Desmond running towards him was run out with Desmond and he would have survived. Desmond telling him it was his destiny to die was BS i mean i'm glad that cyclops blew himself up but still Charlie could have lived and i've said that since the season 3 finale aired

I think he finally realized it was his destiny to die and he decided to stop fighting it. If he had escaped the looking glass, he would've died another way since the universe has a way of course-correcting.

But Charlie had no way of knowing that. He felt their best chance at rescue was by him dying. Look at Des' other flashes. Desmond saved Charlie from the arrow, and Penny wasn't the one who came to the island. Des then came to the conclusion that if things don't happen exactly the way the flash happened, then end result wouldn't happen. Charlie sacrificed himself and did what he thought was right in order to save the woman he loved. With all the information they had, it's very understandable why he didn't try to save himself.

yeah but by the time Des was running towards the door Charlie had already unjammed the equipment so why would the end result still not happen? he still could have run out with desmond…i mean there is free will after all. this show isn't completely about destiny and fate…that's been one of the major conflicts throughout the entire series lol

Because he didn't WANT to escape! He was sacrificing himself

I think you guys are taking the situation too lightly.

Charlie was in a state of both panic and understanding for the much of the time the water was underneath his head. Also, he decided long before the grenade that he needed to make his life as valuable as he could, and because of that, his immediate reaction was to inform Desmond about Penny.
Had he decided to squeeze through the outside porthole afterwards, I don't think he would have time to swim out to the surface. It seemed he knew that anyway.

At any rate, I feel the porthole would have been too difficult to cleanly squeeze through to begin with, thus wasting precious energy and oxygen.

I didnt even think about this when seeing the episode.
I just asumed that it was one of those kind of doors that can only be looked from one side, like submarine doors, which seemes reasonable to me since this was an underwaterstation. Obviously Charlie would then have to lock himself in, in order to same Desmond from drowning, which he probably would have, had they not been able to lock the door from the other side, thus flooding the entire station.

I guess with the whole fate dilemma, this was always the way Charlie would die in the end, and frankly I was personally getting a bit bored with Desmond having to save Charlie all the time – It was either Charlie dying or Desmond suddenly seeing Charlie staying alive. My point being that for the credibility of the show – This was the better outcome.
How do ya'll like my theory?

Charlie didn't want to take any chances. Sure, everything may have worked out if he managed to save himself, but what if it didn't? He just wanted to do whatever he could for Claire and Aaron.

Desmond was able to get back to the island so if Charlie had run out with Desmond then Charlie would have been able to too…but i know we haven't seen the end of Charlie by a long shot and with Hurley's flash forward maybe he's somehow alive who knows

So you guys still don't get that he was going to die whether it was in the Looking Glass or elsewhere?

Charlie knew that Desmond's vision would come true if he followed it to the letter. He would rather die and see Claire and Aaron escape, than chicken out and continue to live a doomed life (and possibly ruin the only chance his friends had for rescue).

This episode was all about Charlie's complete transformation from a self-doubting coward who wouldn't save a drowning victim (even though he could swim), into a hero who would give up his own life to save the ones he loved.

Also, Charlie's dead. Confirmed by producers and by Charlie himself. "I am dead. But I'm also here."

i mean i get that Charlie was supposed to live a doomed life or whatever that means…but still even though the universe has a way of course correcting things if i were Charlie i would have gotten the hell out of that damn control room…i mean he had done his job and i know i'm being stubborn about this but he still could have lived…i'm still curious how Hurley was able to see/talk to Charlie and how the other dude at the mental institution could too…now there's a mystery there

But dying was part of his job. Maybe you don't remember, but Desmond's vision wasn't just seeing Charlie turn off the switch, Charlie had to turn off the switch and then drown. If he didn't follow the vision completely, there might have been a different outcome (perhaps the jammer would reset, maybe Claire would be shot, anything!). So instead, Charlie made the executive decision to *ensure* Desmond's vision came to fruition.

If Hurley can see ghosts, it only makes sense that someone else can too!

ummm i do remember and i understand what you're saying i have all along but Charlie and Claire were the sweetest couple who hadn't done anything sexual and then they and aaron were basically a family and for him to die was complete BS. that is my opinion. i'm not saying that it wasn't his "destiny" or whatever…but it seems that getting rescued does nothing for the people in the future so maybe Claire just wants to stay on the island and Kate ends up with Aaron in the future anyway…the only reason they killed the character of Charlie off was b/c Dominiic Monaghan told the producers at the beginning of season 3 that he didn't want to be in the show anymore…and the whole ghost concept is really cool. its just that desmond tells Charlie that he has to die and then everyone gets all sobby and shit when Desmond and Penny talk on the phone at the end of "The Constant" Charlie and Claire we met first and were developing a relationship before we even met Desmond and then Desmond gets a happily ever after? im just saying that i think its BS on the writers part but that's just me…obviously you can telll i was/am a huge Charlie fan

Getting rescued isn't good in the future, but how would Desmond or Charlie know that?

I agree.. here here. Dominic should have stayed on, instead his ego got the better of him.. I read he was unhappy his character had not done anything major in terms of the show in later seasons, so he wanted to leave (ego) Its a shame he left, because he was great as Charlie and now everyone misses him. So so sad.

yeah, look at all that went on since the first time he was "supposed" to die. He got to spend a lot more time with Claire and Aaron, did his greatest hits list, left the ring, for a few examples. If he died the first time Des saw it, he wouldn't have unjammed the station…..good/ bad who knows?

once the cabin was completely submerged their would be no water pressure holding him back

It was his destiny to die, he understood this, so he didnt try to escape…he would have just died the next day or the next

True. You have to consider how long it will take for the water pressure to stop after the point that he stops being able to breathe, and then would he have enough time to get to the surface? Maybe. But maybe not.

yeah, but it doesnt really matter, he could have left door open and still have enough time to get the swim gear own before the entire place overfilled, and escaped with desmond. Staying in the hatch was an act of giving in to destiny

Well, there's no way I can argue against that…you're right.

If he'd gone out the door the entire station would have flooded through the moon pool. There would be no way they're getting out after that.

If Charlie hadn't closed the door when he had, the window would have blown and water would shoot up through the moon pool and the oxygen would be pushed out the porthole.

hmm…i'm not quite understanding, either way, they swam into the station with no gear, so they could make it back with no gear

Except Charlie almost drown trying to get into the looking glass.

What aren't you understanding? How the station would flood and sink? Well, the underwater station would only have the one opening in the bottom, the huge hole that is the moon pool. If a hole were punched in the hull, the air would rush out through that hole and water would gush in through the moon pool. Which would flood the station exponentially faster than the blown porthole filled the room Charlie was in.

As we all know, the whispers are back. Juliet heard them in the jungle before her (ghost) shrink appeared.

It may have been my mind playing tricks on me but were there any whispers that were understandable?
I thought I heard the final whisper say "The Island…..there is no island"
Anybody?

holy crap r u serious? thats terrifying.
i couldnt make any of the whispers out…

i wonder how harper can just appear and disappear out of thin air. they must have some kind of power.

Haha omg that would be insane if the island wasn't really there.. that would be fuked up!

i dont remember. its on again on CTV at 10 im gonna watch it and ill watch for that.

in a way it isn't, since it is invisble to the rest of the world

I will rewatch soon too.

The Whispers aren't meant to be decipherable in normal listening. Some quotes are meant to slip out and be understood, but the vast majority of the dialogue is supposed to be muddled. Most of the dialogue is actually sped up and evenly split between each output of audio (Think left and right speakers). With audio software, however, they can be understood.

Most of the Whispers are in conversation with each other in relation to what's going on. Before Shannon died, the Whispers were actually talking about her (One of them actually said "Hey, sis" as if he was Boone), and there seems to be one woman amongst the other male voices who has suggested a few times in Whispers occurances to reveal themselves.

For more in-depth analysis, hit up Lostpedia http://lostpedia.org/wiki/Whispers

some how i think its jacob appearing as the shrink and other people in the past say walt when locke was shot

The voices have been in conversation with each other a few times, one of them having been a female voice. The Whispers are coming from several unnamed people.

those whispers creep me out a little. I used to think it was "the others" but after tonight's epsidoe I have no idea what they are. and I don't get how all these people keep appearing and disappearing instantly in the middle of the jungle. Walt has done it twice and now this shrink girl. I think there were a few others but I can't remember. Maybe certian people can do it, maybe the island gives them power. Ben said some stuff about Walt be "special", maybe that is what he meant.

Megan its a fucking gimmick, c'mon its LOST. They've got to make us stick for 3 more seasons so they'll continue to do stuff like this.

But yes the whole appear and disappear thing is really stupid

I don't think it was really Harper, I think it was Jacob. We've never seen any Other disappear like Harper did. If they can all do that, why didn't Ethan and Goodwin use it to avoid being killed?

I think it's Jacob or something of that sort. There were Whispers coming from Jacob's Cabin when Hurley was there it in the Beginning of the End. Plus they were whispering when Walt appeared in Season 2 and to Locke in Season 3.

they didnt see her disapear, she did the batman…jack and juliet turned away from her, and when they came back she was gone

Yeah we've seen it with Eko.. Yemi clearly turned into the smoke monster right in front of us.. just like harper.. how the whispers relate to the black smoke monster.. who knows..

you could see a whisp of smoke

well how likely is a black smoke monster?! if there can be whispers and ppl dissappearing I'm sure the same person who's behind the black cloud is responsible for the whispers .. it'll end up being Jacob and he'll be some sort of spirit that can shape shift and what not -toss voices from memories around in a muttered fashion .. and is some how able to get access to your memories

I wonder what the deal is with 'the list' though

Amen to that!

shut up and don't curse at me

Could there be other beings on the island like Jacob that maybe Ben doesnt know of? which could the be source of the whispers and the strange sitings of people like Harper and Walt? Oh and where are the Others? I noticed they arent around at all. No one hasnt even tried to rescue Ben or take back their little village. I'm just wondering whats up with them.

Ben told them to go to the temple, so they went to the temple. "Harper" told Juliet that Ben was exactly where he wanted to be, and Ben himself said to Locke that his people could have stormed the village and took him back if they wanted to. For some reason, Ben wants to be in Locke's camp, so that's where he is right now! The others have gone to the temple (whatever that is, it's at the end of season 3).

That is true – i completely forgot he said that. I guess that answers that question – thanks!

These are the transcripts of the whispers when Harper was talking to Juliet…
http://www.lostcommunity.co.uk/forums/4-06-other-woman/7003-other-woman-whisper-transcript.html

This "Sarah" that keeps getting mentioned in the whispers.. now if I remember correctly, Jack's ex wife was named Sarah right?!? This isn't the first time the name was mentioned in the whispers.. could this be Jack's dad and Sarah talking?!? We've def heard Christian Shepard in the whispers.. most distinguishable in the episode jack is stuck in the empty shark tank.

And Christian also called Ana Lucia "Sara" when they were together in Australia.

Oh great point.. and since Christians body is on the island, along with Ana-Lucias, it would make sense if their spirits were interacting.. also, since they both know Jack, it would explain their conversation before Jack showed up.. now, if they also say something along the lines of "Is she going to save us" about Juliet, does this mean their spirits are maybe trapped?

I've had other discussions at length on this topic and the thing that confuses me most is that the voices seem afraid of being seen, shot, overheard, etc.
Not really the things I would worry about if I were dead.

i think

a) the whisperers are the rest of the others and they made a good distraction for harper to getaway lol

or b) its jacob/smoke monster (maybe jacob's pet is smoke monster lol) related and then harper is more of a vision thing instead of alive

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yes

chill

i doubt it

I wouldn't be Lost if it didn't leave us at least ONE thing to figure out

i think they will solve everything but will create one last mystory in the end of the last episode that will leave the show with an open end

All the questions that the writers purposely placed into the show will be answered. The problem is, fans want questions answered that were never intended to be questions. For example, they didn't expect people to still be debating who the final member of the O6 were by the end of episode 7.

Nope

I don't think so at all. My prediction is that there will be a crap-ton of questions un-answered, and a whole lot of stupid people are going to get pissed off, and it's going to be another Sopranos. But i, for one, will be ok with it. It's not about the sub plots and the sub-sub plots and the sub-side-sub plots (of which there are an exhausting number). It's about the characters. The characters will get completed, but there will still be a lot of questions, and i will be just fine with that.

Any unanswered questions will definitely lead into a movie(s). If it is still as popular in 3 years I am sure they will cash in on it. Hopefully they turn out a little better than the X-files movie….. :)

I posted this on another thread:

I do not think that there will be a final ending. I feel that the ending will leave us with an "Oh My God!" feeling. They will answer many if not all the questions we have and then, BANG! leave us with a whole bunch of new questions that will have us questions ourselves and want more. And then, they will make feature films to tease us every few years. Kind of like the X-Files but much, much better of course! I am being serious here.

Yeah I think the idea of a LOST movie would be awesome.. although I don't know if it has enough of a fan base to justify the cost of making a movie.. would be fun tho.

And yeah, I doubt they will answer all of the questions. It would be cool if the show ended with a new group of LOSTIES hitting the island tho!

It is impossible to answer every little question the fans come up with

however what I would like to see is perhaps a book, or something to come out that answers all the unanswered questions…

and even then I doubt they will be able to cover them all…

I'd actually really love a movie, provided they didn't screw it up. It's depressing to think that it'll all be over in two years.

I'd love it if they did answer every question (or at least all the major ones), but did so in a way that left us all going "WTF?" and unable to pick our jaws up off the ground for the next two weeks or so :)

They will answer all the questions they purposely pose. They will not answer questions which the fans come up with, which were never intended to be a mystery.

you're exactly right there Dylan. There are some stupid people out there who can't figure out simple answers. Take for example something that was never intended to be a mystery; Is Charlie dead course he is!

I read an article that in season 4 we are going to find out some big answers such as who is in the coffin…but the writers have said that they are saving all the main questions e.g. smoke monster until near the very end

Roll on April 24th!

I think there will be a couple of answers to multiple questions. Like now we have hints that "the sickness" and the time traveling are connected. We once thought that the two were not related at all. I think we are going to see this happen a lot over the next 2 years. Also I don't think we will be definatively told the answer to a lot of the mysteries. We are going to have to make our own assumptions.

No way. Most great stories leave some things up for interpretation or for the viewer to decide. I kind of hope they don't explain everything.

Let me explain what I mean. Answers will be presented on the show, however the viewer will be required to put the pieces together for themselves. There will never likely to be a conversation where someone explains what the smoke monster is. Rather the answer will be presented through pieces of evidence, that lead to a logical conclusion.

Just like the polar bears. There was never a conversation where an Other said "Oh those polar bears were from DHARMA experiments", the viewer had to realize there were bear cages at the Hydra and that they explained the presence of polar bears on the island.

My favorite part of the show is that it makes me think. If the show did not leave me something to figure out I would be very disappointed.

Haha yeah although I still don't think the producers know for sure what the black smoke monster is.. I think when Locke asks Ben what the smoke monster is, they are kinda poking fun at the fact that it seems like such a hard thing to explain.. considering LOST was supposed to be a short mini-series, I doubt the smoke monster was ever supposed to be explained in the first place, lol

Exactly. And that's how most of the questions we've had over the seasons have come to light. Not by blatant slap you across the face answers, but with puzzle pieces that must be put together by the viewer.

I'm sure they knew from before the pilot what the smoke monster was.

I think the smoke monster may have a relation to either The Rover system on The Prisoner, or the Monster from the ID in Forbidden planet.

For argument sake we'll go with the first(as it's easier to explain), Rover(note that it's a common dog name) was a security system, which when a citizen of the Village misbehaves or tries to escape it sort of "sucks them up" and takes them away to number 2(basically the Ben of the village). Now imagine this system without any sort of direction.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rover_(The_Prisoner%29

Anyway, I do believe the writers know what the monster is.

I agree with you Dylan. I believe the writers know what and why the things they write about are and exist. They may not know in detail where certain aspects of the story or characters are going. When they create something, I am pretty sure they have thought things through. With a story like Lost where so many things are happening, they need to do this or else at the end things will not make sense. It is harder to go back and "invent" an explanation than have one before going forward. They just choose not to share it with us. That is what makes the show so interesting.

I think I would prefer this kind of an ending.

I think that at least we must know who o what is the monster and Yacob.

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that is so great…i love that a group was made!

There are now a couple of discussion topics going on…Care to post a few more?

Oh my goodness, Monique.

LOL! Oh great one! How does it feel to be the focus of such adulation?

hahaha
You're just silly :P

I am having fun. If anything bugs you or Dylan, just let me know and we will put a stop to it. This is all in good fun. You guys are actually darn good at finding stuff, taking it apart, analyzing it, etc. I miss a lot of it and actually am grateful that you guys pick up on it. The show is great and I enjoy getting deeper into it. I know that I am not alone. And don't worry, I am not a creeper…LOL Not yet anyway! ; P

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No worries. I think it's flattering. To think, this time last year most posters here hated me. Now there's a fan group… Craziness.

I wish I could find a screen shot of the bike I saw in The Other Woman. It tied in with the bike I noticed in the painting on Aaron's wall. Damn it all to hell!

lol why would everyone hate you?

Hate and envy are very closely related…As long as you are enjoying what you are doing and getting something out of it. I think that it probably helps you guys think things through as well.

Because a lot of people take the way I type as being offensive, or insulting. At least until they get to know me a little, or actually make me angry. In the second case, then they tend to find out how offensive I can be when I want to be. :P

The written word is always left to the reader's interpretation. In English lit classes there used to be major discussions on what the author meant in such and such. Everyone had a different opinion. Most of the time we were all off base. So, what you write is interpreted by someone according to their mind frame at the time of lecture.

Indeed it does. Nothing makes you think about your position better than a real debate(which is not the same as an argument). Sadly that hasn't been happening very much lately. I need the show to come back on to keep my neurons firing.

Exactly, and that's basically what I would say to the people who thought I was attacking them. I would tell them reread my post and ignore any assumed tone of voice.

You and everyone else in this group! I feel like watching all the seasons again to see what I missed. But I think that since we just finnished doing this my family would have me institutionalized!

I think I may watch another episode of Twin Peaks shortly. Good show that keeps you guessing.

I've got some time to kill while the little woman's at driver training.

By the way, I think it's cool that she joined the fan club. I have to find a Lost filler before I lose my mind.

Dylan, is Twin Peaks on dvd? I never got into it when it was on, but I know it was different. Do you like it?

I couldn't get into it when it was on either, but I was 10, so it was WAY over my head.

I'm really liking it. The first season is only 7 episodes long, and the second is 22. Next up is episode 9 of season 2. Different is a word for it alright. :P

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Dylan what are you going to do when 2010 comes and there is no more LOST? i think i will like die but that's my personal opinion. LOST is the best thing that ever happened to TV and this group really should have been made a long time ago b/c you and John are awesome and sorry for all the times i thought you were being "offensive or insulting" towards me.

After the show ends I have the Dark Tower project to look forward to. With any luck Damon and Carlton will move on to other intelligent projects for us all to enjoy in the future.

Don't worry about misunderstandings. What's past is past.

I have not heard of The Dark Tower project. Is is going to be a series based on the Stephen King novels? Is is being produced by the same people as Lost?

I use the term project because as yet I have no idea what form it's going to take, but yes, it's the Dark Tower novels being applied to film.

So far all I know is that J.J. bought the rights to the series for 19 dollars, and that Damon and\or Carlton will be writing the screenplay.

Sounds terrific! I haven't read the series myself, but from what you've said of them, they sound great! I'll have to read up before the project is completed.

I would heavily suggest you do. It's a very good series.

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Did i hear wrong when the hotel lady said he was in 2005? How does that make sense if he is seeing sayid and knows him?

remember where we are on the show on island, is still late 2004, or we maybe into january 2005

in the hotel it was oct. 2005, so we can assume the oceanic 6 will be getting off the island soon

They must indeed leave soon, especially if Sayid has time both to FIND and MARRY Nadia in the time between the show's "present" time and the funeral.

Sayid already knows where Nadia is. The reason he got on Flight 815 was to go see her. So, that cuts off a little time any way.

D'oh! (Smacks head) That's right.

We also know that Sun has her baby in Seoul, so they have to be off soon.

weird my dads name is Timothy Hendrix

well. sun is 3 months pregnant now. so we have a total of 6 months before she has the baby in seoul. that makes it around late may early june. something in my gut tells me that Ben will be transported into the future in a few episodes, disappearing from the island and creating disasterous results for the island.

Actually she's only 2 months pregnant. Juliet said the date of conception was around October 23, 2004. This means Sun's flashforward took place around late July, early August of 2005.

well. island time should be around january, so 2.25 month pregnants.

but. that doesn't help because for all we know it was a premature or late baby.

You could tell by looking at the baby (and the fact that the doctors weren't rushing it off to an incubator) that it wasn't born too early; maybe a week or two at the most. Plus, doctors don't let babies stay in there for more than a week or so, they will do a forced labour. This means that the baby was born mid- to late July or early August.

some babies can be born 3-4 weeks premature without adverse effects, a skilled doctor would be able to decide this with a mere look, hense no rush. and i've seen babies 3-4 weeks late too. they don't usually induce labour unless theres a significant risk to the baby or the mother.

How does it not make sense? It's 2004 in the Island present, and it seems as though the O6 will be leaving the Island soon, or Sun will die, and we know that doesn't happen.

I think she just doesn't realize they have been on the island for only 100 days

I call it "hurley syndrome"

why do I call it hurley syndrome? because alot of people ask why hurley hasn't lost like a tonne of weight and my response is, he has lost weight, but they have only been on the island for like 4 months

rightttt ouppss sorry guys i forogt that they had only been on the island for that short of time, and that it only started in 2004.
thanks :)

Would anyone be upset if LOST has something to do with Time Travel? Would that take away from the mystery?

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How would time travel take any of the mystery away? Since the writers have introduced the concept of course correction, even if someone does travel in time, any changes they make will be corrected by the time the ripple reaches the present.

in Lost, I'm not sure if there's really any such thing as "the present". not in the way we know it anyway.

looking at the Lostpedia timeline, we're still in december. episode 4×09 ends on Night 97 (December 27, 2004). So we're ALMOST at January 05, but yah, it's not a big stretch to think that Ben could be in Tunisia in October (or whever he was there)

Actually island time is reported at past day 100 now.

Well the present would be the On Island events, as opposed to the flashbacks which are the past, and the flashforwards which are the future.

I think I know what you're getting at, Charlene. With the hints that the writers have been giving lately, we are going to get a big shock this finale and apparently it will make us rethink how the flashbacks/flashforwards work. More exciting than that is the fact that we will be wondering how the story will be told next season.

well, i dont know if it's actually been "100 days". whoever put together that timeline on Lostpedia would have made if from their inferences. most of the time, i think, they've said "about 100 days" or something, but, anyway, most people, i would think, would just round it off to 100 days when telling someone instead of saying 97 days.

The show as a whole now, narratively speaking is really 'unstuck' in time. I guess it always has been to some degree with the flashbacks, but this season has really proven that time as presented on the show is very lucid and not defined by a linear progression of any sort, aside I guess from the on Island story. I also agree…the hints with the Orchid business and some vague statements about the finale I think that will be our cliffhanger this year as to how the hell they will tell the narrative.

lol I'm glad you think you know what I was getting at cos I was only half sure myself!

it made sense to me for a split second but there's no way I can put it into words just now because its all so vague in my head, but I think when Daniel said "When – is kind of relative.." that confirmed to me that there's something even weirder going on than we think.

we see time as a straight line. we can only ever be at one point on that line at once – that's what "the present" means. we're also constantly moving along this line, and we have no control over that. i'm not sure whether in Lost that line is straight, or even if it exists… but I find that so far outside how we view our entire existence that it's kinda hard to imagine.

what I do know is that there is scientific work going on today about time and whether it is something that we 'invented' to make sense of things and therefore doesn't really exist. again – such a difficult concept to get your head around. i mean, how can time not exist? i don't know if that's relevant to Lost or not but I do think the idea of time is different to how we see it.

i'm also willing to bet there is something to do with loops on the show. maybe not time loops, but loops of some sort.

meh. my head hurts.

Did no-one warn you to avoid mushrooms from the forest or have you been sniffing the tippex?

Seriously – i think I get what you are getting at. Not sure about loops but time travel is in there somehow.

"time travel is in there somehow"

lol no shit sherlock :)

lol no, I'm right there with you. I've got this vague sense that we will be shown our previous assumptions about time have been all wrong. I'm hoping for a metaphysical revelation that will blow all our minds and make us re-think every event to date. I'm not saying it will happen, but I'd enjoy it.

Just wanted to add, while there are lots of hints at there being some kind of loop thing happening in the show, the most recent thing to back it up is a quote from an interview with Michael Emerson:

"You might ask is there a quality of things being on a loop here? That's the thing that comes up to me every so often."

I think the idea of a loop system is why Ben was so certain Alex wasn't going to die. I don't believe it's as simple as Ben and Charles having some kind of agreement about not killing family or whatever.

well that would be the ultimate mind-fuck. i'd like that very much :D

okay sorry for the caps locks and cursing but seriously this has been bothering me for over 11 months now and we're supposed to find out this season…based off of all of the information we have gained since the beginning of the season…does anyone have thoughts…and if possible provide links?

i read a spoiler that reveals this
i wish i hadnt :[
so maybe ur better off not knowing.

Whoa, where did you hear that we're supposed to find out this season?

Exciting. I assumed they'd drag it out until S6, even.

i think i read the spoiler and it said Christian Shepard…is this the same spoiler…if not could you please tell me the link or just tell me b/c i need to know and are you sure that the spoiler is 100% legit?

i read it in a TV Guide where LOST was on the cover…they said that we'd find out and exactly why Jack is so upset in the future…so a lot of revelations better happen in the next four hours of LOST

K. Thanks.

I wouldn't think it would be Christian. The dude there asks Jack if he's friend or family, and he says neither.

I guess it could be to throw us off, and justified because Jack no longer considers him a true father, but I don't think it's Christian.

I think Eden will want to know where you read that LOL, she always wants to know.

*POSSIBLE SPOILER*
but if you are talking about the Christian Shepard one that i read, i dont think that is the correct person. I mean im sure he would have a funeral, but at least his wife would go, and Jack wouldnt be the only one, and also CS wouldnt get that reaction from Kate at the end of TTLG.

I also dont think it is Ben for the simple reason that i dont think the island would let him die, like it didnt let Michael. All that i really know is that its not Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sun, Michael, Aaron, Sawyer, Locke, Jin, or Desmond

seriously i need to know who is in the coffin if you don't want to spoil it for anyone else you can message or friend me on Facebook

yeah i think i read the same thing that you did…what do you mean i always want to know where stuff was read? lol but yes i need to know who is in this coffin so i can mentally prepare myself if it turns out to be traumatic

No its not a dis on you or anything Dont get me wrong, it that everytime a spoiler pops up you want to know what it is and where came from. But its good cuz you just want to make ssure the source is good before you go reading any BS that comes on the internet, cuz theres a lot!

eden,

i got my info ( lol i sound all sketchy ) from DarkUFO i think. or maybe it was spoilerfix. i forget. but they've never been wrong yet.

yeah i know…don't worry i didn't take it as an insult but this is the most obsessed that i have been with like anything (meaning LOST in general not who is in the coffin)…so yeah i want to debunk all of the BS can't wait until next episode

okay now that i know do i have to go search for it or could you please message me the name of the person please?

decode this message to get the name lol
even tho its not a big surprise ?

SPOILER WARNING
drapehs naitsirhc

ummm i really suck at decoding messages…can you tell me in a message or something but i'll try…if i guess can you tell me if i'm right?

read it backwards

LOL
eden, you nut, its backwards!

ooo i figured that…well that's the spoiler i read earlier this week so yeah it wasn't that much of a surprise to me…lol…sorry for being backwards hehe

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Dont read**********if you dont want to know************************

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Eden, the coffin from TTLG does not have Christian in it, there is a spoiler for an upcoming episode where it is a funeral for Chrisitan, O6 plus Nadia are present, IDK if it true but I am not sure if it is even Chrisitan in the coffin at the funeral! There must be 2 diffrent coffins, TTLG and upcoming funeral.
The coffin we wnat to know about is the one Jack visits with a beard all alone……………….. Michael/Ben even Juliet

How do we know it is not Hurley, Sun, Michael, Aaron, Sawyer, Locke, Jin, or Desmond
I mean, I doubt it is these people (except for Locke as I can see that…) but how do we know it is not one of them for sure

It most likely isn't;

Hurley – We have seen his relationship with Jack in the future so far and it doesn't seem like Jack wouldn't still consider him a friend especially since Hurley wants to go back and at that point so does Jack.

Any of the 06 – Someone would have brought Ji-Yeon to see her … Plus she lives in Korea … Her father would be at the funeral and it would be big news too.

Sawyer/Locke – Sawyer stayed on the island and I doubt Locke would want to leave the island.

Jin – To the entire world…he is already dead. Proven in Sun's flashforward.

Desmond – I seriously doubt it's him…Penny would be there and anway why would his viewing be in the states?
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Micheal/Ben -> The 2 more probable candidates.

And it can't be Christian Sheppard … the writers have already said that he is no longer alive.

My thoughts exactly, all those people would either have visitors or would not have left the island.

Well, based on the information we already know, this could all be true, but we don't know everything that happens after they get off the island. There is still a lot that could happen. I guess I agree that it probably isnt one of the O6 because of the publicity that would most likely come with it. We don't know for sure if other people get off the island later. The order of all of the flashforwards seem to not be for sure, but it definitely seems as if the funeral is the furthest into the future that we have seen. Maybe Locke and/or Sawyer had to leave the island for some reason. I agree that they don't at the moment seem to want to leave the island, but we don't know all yet. Just some thoughts. I'm not saying that it is any of these characters for sure, but I just don't think we should completely rule them out.

I think it's got to be Ben. Ben has recently proved that he can get off (and presumably back on) the Island. He is probably using an alias, and who would go to his funeral? But the main point is that Jack really wants to go back, and Ben was his key. That's why he's upset, that's why he tries to kill himself.

Well, that's my opinion.

Now I have been a huge supporter that it is Michael in the coffin and I am almost positive it's not Ben Sayid or any O6 people or Jin Locke Juliet Claire or any of that. However it would be pretty fricken awesome if it were Charlie. A podcast did say that Hurley would know before anyone else so why not have it be Charlie?! Jack says he's not a friend or family of him because if their 'story' is to hold up he would have never met Charlie and his body could have turned up somewhere. It would also give Jack good reason to be upset because it reminds him of the real story of what happened and he let Charlie swim down to the Looking Glass and he died because of it and we have seen Jack struggles when people either leave him or people die. He can't kill anyone so to him this is like killing someone.

Charlie is British. His family would have him buried i the UK. If he is not recognizable then he would not have had an obit…

There are two discussions going about this topic. Since this title is more specific, I will try to move some of them over here later.

Oh, I hope it’s not Charlie, I want somewhere at the end of all this,with all the time-travel and such, that he is still alive :) Also I think Hurley, Kate, and many others would have gone to Charlie's funeral.

Newspapers only will post a death notice, not a long obituary. (They showed Jack with one in his hand)

Someone in a family writes the obituary for their relative. Unless the person is somewhat famous;whether in the business, celebrity, etc. world, then a newspaper might write an article.

So, if a family member had written and sent in an obituary, then of course they would be at the funeral. If it was written by the paper, who would be ‘famous’ enough to be written about.

Hmm, so who would have been ‘famous’ enough to warrant a long obituary?

The whole thing is weird; who posted the opituary, the man asking Jack whether he wanted an open or closed casket?;Funeral homes don’t just have funerals;they have to be paid, and asked to have the funeral. Unless it was in this person’s will, but even then, the date and time of the funeral would have to be told to the funeral director.

Other randoms:

Was it the same day that Jack looked like he was going to go off a bridge? Was Jack that upset because of who had died?

Was that Ben's diary next to the coffin ?

THE MAN IN THE COFFIN IS BEN . BEN WAS THE ONLY ONE WITH ACCESS TO THE ISLAND AND PROB JACK KNEW THAT . BESIDES, BEN IS THE MASTERMIND BEHIND EVERYTHING

WHY WOULD ANYONE CARE ABOUT MICHAEL? MORE THAN HALF OF THEM HATE HIM AND HE IS NOT THAT IMPORTANT FOR JACK AND PROB AT HIS FUNERAL THERE WOULD BE SOMEONE (AT LEAST HIS MOTHER, EX-WIFE, SON)

BEN HAS NOBODY BECAUSE OF THE ISLAND AND EVERYBONDY HATES HIM

i think its michale