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did anyone think about anything when they made this group, gas prices aren't determined by the companies that sell it but rather by the prices set forth by the sellers and refiners and of course our taxes so this won't work, if exxon is paying 2.60 for a gallon they won't sell it for 1.30, they'd be better off to not sell, do you understand this

Also Exxon And Mobil are the Same company.

not to mention that not everybody in America has facebook. but i don

nice try there whoever the creator is but try again……..the only real long term solution is alternative fuels, sorry, no way around it

Yes, you are right, this won't work. But another (important) reason why it won't work is the fact that we won't actually be decreasing our gasoline consumption. It doesn't matter if we get it from ExxonMobil or from anywhere else, we will still be using the gas because the demand will still be there. Because of that ExxonMobil will just sell their extra gas to the backdoors of the other oil companies who are witnessing an increased demand. They will still be making money, and we will still be consuming gas. That's the bottom line. Nothing changes.
-Ian

There is a possibility that this could work, but most likely, the companies will recognize what we're doing and RAISE their prices, making other companies raise their prices so that when you are finally desperate for gas, they will gain all the money that they did not receive when you boycotted them.

Most gas stations buy their gas from one of the larger companies anyway. QED.

Seriously…this really wont work. If ya dont buy gas pretty much the only people you are coming close to hurting..are the gas station owners. They've already bought the fuel from the company. Goal is simple enough but impossible to achieve hate to say it but this is yet again another pointless facebook group…with alot of people joining..for god knows what reason….its all pointless.

the gas doesn't go bad though and the small store owners will take there prices down little by little in order get people to buy. If enough people accually stay true to this idea it will work. the individual station owners might get burned a little yes, but when the demonstrations like the sit-ins and bus boycotts took place in the 60's the owners of those companies got burned and sent the message up to coorporate or individually changed their policies.

There's no possible way it'll work. Even if you get enough people, you're still buying gas, you're just not going to big name companies, well the problem is, you're going to get the companies that you are going to, to raise their price, because business is booming, but the other companies like Exxon won't change a thing, cause they know soon enough you'll come back. With every idea of how to lower gas comes the inevitable problem we'll just end up hurting ourselves. By going to one gas station over another causes the one to get it's gas depleted quickly, and then we move on to the next, same thing keeps happening, until we realize we're just screwing ourselves. The only way for the idea to work, would be if everyone were willing to car pool, or take a bus to wherever it i they are going

doesnt anyone have any balls anymore to do anything!?!?
ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE
i hate all you skeptics and ur stupid little skeptical comments SHUT UP UR IMPUT IS NOT NEEDED

News flash: it doesn't matter what gas station you go to, all the gas comes from the same place. Different companies simply rent time on a pipeline, thats how it works. You get the same gas at Shell station as you get at a Marathon station, which is the same gas as the Chevron station, which is the same gas as the Murphy station and so on. You aren't going to hurt the oil companies by boycotting a single gas station company. The only way to affectively boycott gas companies is to do so completely, and as we all know, that just isn't going to happen because we rely heavily on our cars.

High gas prices encourage people to drive more full efficient cars. After all, the more gas you burn the more environment you destroy, not to mention the sooner we run out of gas, which will be really bad if we don't find another solution before that happens. In short, high gas prices could basically save both civilized society and thousands of animal species.

Thank you Maddy.

On a side note: is Wakefield High in The Plains, VA?

I can agree, in a small way that high gas prices have brought the public as a whole to realize there is a problem, and it is helping to feul the alternate energy race.

But scientist and enviormentalist have been working on both these things for years. and frankly do you see less SUVs on the raod today? I don't think so. Half the road is covered in gas sucking trucks, and SUVs.

Get a clue and help drop the gas prices.

America wasnt built on a gas/electric hybrid, Im one of the people against them and will continue to drive my old, gas guzzling, 7mpg pickup. I'll still put gas in it if it was 5.00 a gallon, my reasons for lower gas prices is I dont want to be giving money to terrorists and people outside of our country

Tyler: Wakefield in Arlington va

Jared: It’s not just about fueling the race for alternate energy; it’s also about getting people to drive less. A lot of times people don’t think twice about hopping in their car when there it might be in walking distance or there might be a bus that could take you, which could save you ozone and money. And actually the sales of new SUVs have been slipping steadily since 2004.

Billy: America wasn’t built on a lot of things we have today, it’s called development. And if you want to bring down the prices, stop driving you “gas guzzler”. Less gas mileage = higher demand = higher prices! And I’m not sure about the other one, but Shell is American, even though we get the oil from other countries (countries where no one can afford to buy the gas they sell us; they need the money more than we do!) And you need to turn of fox and get over your xenophobia.

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I don't give a shit about the environment…everything is going just fine with it in my eyes. But still I'm going to have to side with the environmentalists with the solution to the solution of the gas price hike.

Just use less gas in everyway you can, or not and bitch about it while attempting half-baked schemes to get back at the 'big evil' corporations.

1st let me say that I only joined this group to tell everyone this info, I am not supporting this cause.

The idea that boycotting the largest oil company in the world is a great idea, and it would work if it was possible to completely stop the purchase of its oil. But unfortunately I know that local gas companies exchange their fuel reserves like no other. When you see two gas stations across the street from one another, one station usually doesn't match the other's sales. They both buy reserves from one another, which almost makes the fuel they sell come from the same pool. As long as sales start rising at other companies' gas stations, those select non-ExxonMobil stations won't buy more gasoline. They will simply purchase from the reserves of the Mobil station across the street (which there usually is). ExxonMobil won't feel any effect as long as other companies continue to exchange oil.

If you question my credibility, I will say I am no oil executive, obviously. I heard this information first-hand from a Saudi-Aram Co. Exec. (One of the biggest oil suppliers in the world from those who don't know)

this has to be one of the worst ideas ever from the environmental perspective. its pretty rediculous how greedy americans are, especially when there is a group of 100,000 kids complaining about 2.75 gas when in europe it is closer to 6$ a gallon, and in other areas of the world it is much more expensive. you also have to consider the fact that our society is obsessed with giant cars and trucks, which are an incredible waste of fuel and a pathetic standard of societal status, while europeans have smartened up and shifted towards buying smaller cars that consume a fraction of the gas our suv's use. and lastly the environmental impact of burning fuel is tremendous, and by lowering the price of fuel we would only be supporting the idea that gas has an endless supply and has no affect on our environment, but the truth is that down the road sometime in the near future we will all feel the affect of a warmer climate and increased pollution.. so this petition is pretty pathetic and only symbols the american dream of greed at low costs (maybe you all should go to wallmart)

At the same time though, you resign everyone to blindly follow a very clearly corrupt system. For the practical solution: Walk (you've got legs) or public transit
As for the longterm solution, our only hope is alternative fuel sources. You said it yourself, people just aren't going to stop driving their fucking hummers. Because of this we're going to need extremely aggressive political reform, especially within congress. Oil lobbyists and special interest groups, particularly from Exxon and Haliburton, will have to be replaced by less corrupt and more environmentally aware politicians.
These people complain about this and are missing the very point that you made: fossil fuels will be exhausted in the very near future and lowering gas prices is only going to woresen the situation environmentally and economically.

There is no way this would ever work for a variety of reasons. First, neither buyers nor sellers control the market, at least not solely. If you've taken a course in economics you know this. Second, you have to not only reach, but convince a high enough proportion of the population in the States concerning your agenda (and that's still under the assumption that it might have some effect). Third, a boycott would be great if any gas company was completely independent, however, they're not by any stretch of the imagination.

On other notes, alternative fuel sources are a must, although not because we're suddenly going to run our oil wells dry. However, consider this. Oil production (or mining), follows a normal curve. Period. In the US, productino peaked in '72. The global oil production market is expected to peak soon, or to have peaked within the past few years (It's impossible to tell exactly). However, oil consumption DOES NOT follow a normal curve. Instead, it's exponential. And the supply and demand curves are supposed to have just crossed within the past few years, thus prices should start to continue going up and up at an ever increasing rate. Oil production is not something that can be changed. The oil consumption curve, on the other hand, can be changed.

NB: I say oil consumption, however, this is technically incorrect. It is actually the demand for oil consumption. Because, obviously, consumption cannot exceed production unless there are reserves being accessed. This can happen on a day to day basis, just not continually. Just fyi.

I agree with this groups intent and find it bold to try and stand up to the people running the nation. Oopps I mean the oil companies. But this really cannot work. I wish it could but I mean we the young people cannot complain about any thing we don't take the necassary steps to having our voices heard. How can we change this? We can change it by when election time comes around those of us eligible ALL vote. Because lets be honest if we don't let our voice have power in choosing our leader how can we expect the leaders we didn't elect to do the things we feel need to be done. WE need to step up and take political responsibility. Its our nation we are the next in charge and if we don't start to fix our problems the right way from the root there is no way we can try and fix the government.
BUt I do appreciate the efforts of those who created this group it is a great way to show that we do care and we are morethan a bunch of party animals. We know what's going on and how its effecting us and its a step in the right direction. Granted a small step but a step none the less.

i'm all for the cause of making gas prices go down however realistically,it's not going to happen.i agree with the argument the people in this discussion board give.all the facts they give just supports their side of the discussion but i'm going to try to keep my explanation simple.oil is a non-renewable resource.it's simple economics,as the supply of such a highly demanded resource decreases,the price will increase due to it's growing rarity.also,with what eric said,it just shows how powerful the oil company actually is.sure they rely on the consumers,but the consumers rely on their product.if price for food increased to ridiculous prices would you just stop eating?(note this is an over exaggerated analogy but you see where i'm going at).in america's society gas is a necessity in many circumstances.i'm all for the cause,yeah i don't like gas prices but there's nothing i can personally do about that.i also joined cuz i wanted to throw up this statement.

i dont know if this topic has been posted yet but ill post it again. youre boycotting gas has ZERO effect on the price. obviously you all know nothing about commodities or futures but to sum things up for you, the fair price of crude oil is $65 a barrel, we are slightly above that now but, gasoline per gallon should be between $2.25-$2.60. and your boycotting of exxon or mobil will really have no effect at all, if everyone on facebook boycotted buying gas there that would not be a millimeter of skin off their back. you know why? because every product you buy is shipped through air, water, and land using crude oil from XOM, MOB, and COP so either way they will make their billions. and for the record, over the past few years when the oil companies were reporting astronomic profits during a world-wide bull market, there were thousands of other public companies also reporting record profits but the media just failed to cover it and continued to choose controversial topics

so if you don't think that this shit isn't going to work, then why did you join? i'm shure that in one or more conversations that you have had with one or more of your friends is that gas prices are to freaking high. and you mean to tell me that you defended the exxon and mobil basterds that are not saticfied with how much there makeing now so they rais it up to make more money faster and fuck over every body else to get there. i am speneding way to much at the pump for gas. so insted of bitching about it and talking shit about ideas that other people have to try and lower gas prices. why don't you think of some ting better. or is the plain to just sit around and let gas prices go up to 80 dallors just to get to work.

i love how every one complains about the the gas companies but really car companies are the ones really fucking us over. There making cars that have old technology and are slowly building up way slower then they could be because they know that most Americans are retarded and that why the ford F150 (a.k.a. a piece of shit) was the number one sold car in america for the past 5 or so years. but you know its all the oil companies fault an cr companies have nothing to do with it.

i agree with you mr. eberstein. its the car companies that are fucking us over. we have the ability to make cars that are super gas efficient, heck we can use biodiesel. the car companies and the oil companies are working together. face the facts, we get fucked either way. my g35 coupe gets 15 miles to the gallon. tight huh?!!

Doesn't anyone realize that the oil companies can't charge less then they pay out for each gallon of gasoline. If so many people DO decide to boycott it, then the oil company will just have to raise their prices even higher to cover their asses and not lose money. they will have to decrease supply, and therefore increase prices for what is still in demand, which will make gas prices go up even more for those of us who realize that we are just going to have to pay the price they charge (which seems high compared to 10 years ago… but people forget that the price of everything has gone up, it's called INFLATION) and those of us who instead of complaining about prices decide to conserve gasoline…

stupid dumbasses

This idea seems like a good idea….but in reality…it stinks….The only way to lower the gas prices is for EVERYONE to stop buying so much gas……take the bus…the subway….carpool….ride a bike….stop buying huge ass SUV's and trucks….etc………….so these silly ideas only appear to be a solution…but the real solution is to drive less…in turn…buy less gas…in turn…demand goes down….so then gas prices goes down…get it? good!

My idea won't exactly bring gas prices down but it will make cars get better MPG. the car companies have have teh technology(i believe) to get much better MPG than what cars get know. If everyone was to stop buying new cars it would show the car companies that they must meet what the consumer wants not what the oil company wants, and in order for the car companies to stay in business they would have to start producing more fuel effiecient cars… so rather than lowering the gas prices it would instead make it to where you have to buy less gas

I realize this is in no way a "quick fix" but it could work if everyone did it.

that would take years.
there is actually a cycle of cars throughout economic levels when you think about it.
cars will have more than one owner.
basically, the wealthy would be fighting over nicer cars considering they lived by the boycott. and same with the lower classed but the prices of used cars would go up and people would be fighting for the best deal.

I say a boycott like this could lead to anarchy.
(though highly unlikely)

I don't think it would take an extremely long time before they got the message, because Chrysler is already feeling the pain of high gas prices. they have had to send every employee of one factory on a mandatory 2 week vacation because no one is buying new cars(from them anyway) because of the high gas prices.

Well it's not a matter of the entire auto industry. . .it's more of the American auto makers. . .If you examine the car companies. . .notice Toyota, Honda, and all the other foreign automakers have cars with EXCELLENT fuel efficiency. . .

BUT you look at the US automakers. . .90% of the cars made get shitty mileage. . .GMC, Ford, Chevy, all of them. . .have maybe 2-3 cars that get good stuff, but they are expensive. . .Plus, why make something when you are selling what you got right now? No use in doing it. . .

that's why i'm saying if we stop buying it they would have to change to meet the consumer's wants/needs. and the foriegn car companies have BETTER fuel economy but they could be even better if they actually wanted to be.

if everyone is on "vacation" most likely paid vacation and their profits are going down where will they get the money to research ways to create a more fuel efficient engine or even one that uses an alternative resource? that kind of research takes alot of money.

I believe that they already have the technology to do it and choose not to do it (kind of conspiracy theory"ish" but there are alot of people that believe it too and besides it's no worse than any other conspiracy theories i've heard of)

The price of gas will not go down till we get Busch out of office and put clinton, or the other guy in who are democratics. As long as we keep putting republicans in office the war will keep going, gas prices are going to go through the roof, our country will be in debt, and the rest of the crap that has happened since clinton got out of office.

Wow this has to be the most intelligent post I have seen in quite some time. If you are going to be constructive and try to persuade people with this you have failed on all accounts. First of you should at least know how to spell our presidents name, but i will give you the benefit of the doubt and except it as a misspelling. Second "Clinton, or the other guy who are democrats" again showing your lack of knowledge for who is even running only makes you look ignorant and is therefore not going to help anything. So in summary get educated about whats happening before you try and help because you are helping no one ad persuading even less.

First of all my point got across, and second of all you knew who I was talking about. The message I read about getting people to quit buying gas at certain gas stations is not going to do ad amn thing because people want to get gas where they know they are getting good gas and not shitty gas. Like I said gas is not going to go down until you George Bush out of office and a democratic in there.

I wish you were right but it is highly unlikely anything will change no matter who takes office and if you honestly believe that i would refer to my last most and become more educated, you will find who is in office will have little to no effect on the prices of gas.

First of all the democratics will get us out of war and then the gas prices will go down.

Ha that is laughable getting us out of the war will first of all do little for gas prices. In fact it most likely will do nothing. Second if you think the democrats will get us out of the war any time soon you are greatly misinformed.

you have your views i have mine. so lets leave it at that. if you wana keep talking and maybe become friends that way. Hope you don't mind talking to a lesbian.

…but has it occurred to anyone else that high fuel prices might be the best thing for everyone?

I hate speaking in cliches, but is necessity not the mother of invention? Cheap gas has created the the situation we're in.

The oil companies are like ecstasy dealers – the first hit is free (if I can whip out yet another cliche…). You can't create addicts without finding a way to give your constituents a taste of the product. How else do you explain that oil, which traded at $9.00 a barrel in the late 1990s has soared to $125.00 while processed gasoline has risen a relatively modest $1.34 a gallon (~34%) in that same time.

Get wise folks – these people are actually trying to keep prices down so you can keep fueling your Explorers, Chargers and Land Rovers.

I am glad to read at least one great comment in all these "lower- gas- prices-groups"!

Greetings from Germany!
(GAS PRICE 1,50 EURO PER LITER! so stop whining over there!)

Thanks Maike!

Why do only Europeans seem to understand sometimes?

I explain it Matt by saying that world wide oil demand was not as high then, and now, the demand is so high that we have high prices. like anything else. create more of a supply and you lower the price. same with anything.

the US has not had any new refineries built in the county in 30 years. has our demand or world wide demand stayed the same over 30 years? no.

we have more oil in this country than does the entire middle east. Alaskan oil is being sold to Japan because we can not refine it, we are at capacity.

basic economics, increase supply and the price falls. raise demand without increasing supply, price rises.

Wow, that's an interesting point. I will definitely look into this because I remember when Hurricane Katrina took a lot of refineries offline and prices shot up despite oil still making its way into the country (and the strategic oil reserve was employed as well).

Instinctually I would assume that this would have made gas prices higher relative to oil prices, but it's a variable I hadn't considered – thanks for giving me a direction to look.

I would think Matt that because gas is one small part of the refining process, that we dont see a huge price change all at once. But i mean look at all that is made from oil. shit, all the synthetic clothing, sports protective gear, wax, plastic, on and on and on. So, the huge price of $125-130 a barrel is absorbed over all those things.

I live in North Eastern Pennsylvania, and I have seen refineries be torn down, or mostly torn down. There was a Quaker State refinery that was huge in the area for most of my youth. Then when oil prices went so low, they couldn't stay open, atleast refining oil. now they deal only in wax, half the plant is an open field now. The Kendall motor oil plant went under a long time ago as well. the name was sold so it could not be used again. Now they do refine gas and motor oil, but not on a large scale.

I spent the last two winters out in North Eastern Montana, they tell me out there, the amount of oil in North Eastern Montana, North Dakota and Wyoming is more than the entire middle east. I have looked at the operations out there, they are clean, and wow, the changes that have taken place in drilling for oil. Now, one drill can drill straight down and off to the sides all from one hole. A lot less ground disturbance. North Dakota is thinking of building their own refinery, last year during the peak trucking season for grains and other goods, they could not get diesel.

The oil is there, but there are so many hold ups in congress that nothing gets done. Even if they decided to build refineries today, It takes years to get them online from what I understand.

But think about the Jobs that would be created. Just in the part of Montana, I talked to people who moved there from around the world to work on the Oil Wells. So you create a large amount of jobs drilling, building refineries, building pipe lines. This country was built on Oil, coil and iron. All of those things are still there. Another way to lower demand on oil, power plants should be aloud to burn coal again. Most fire with oil.

I was reading a very interesting report on the actual affects of CO2 on the climate. Its all, or a large part a hoax. The sun, that huge fire ball in the sky, controls our climate, that plus the tilt of the earth, which has not and will not be the same forever. CO2 in the atmosphere was higher when the dinosaurs roamed the earth and we were not here to cause that. Also, early explorers, I think Lewis and Clark, reported smog over the area of Los Angles and there were no people there. The earth is bigger than us, responsible use can be sustained and really, unless we blow each other up with Nukes, we can make it work while also using the fuels given to us.

but, ecstasy isn't addicting…

Nothing can beat the efficiency and power of an internal combustion engine. I don't think that there is anything that can replace gasoline.

Gasoline is derived from petroleum. Petroleum is a result of dead marine animals that die and sink to the bottom of the ocean. After more and more animals die and sand is shifted on top, it increases the pressure and pushes them further down into the earth. They get to a point where the temperature has increased a couple hundred degrees. Pressure, time, heat, and decomposing marine animals are the ingredients to raw petroleum. If there is a way to bypass the time, use some type of catalyst, to speed up the reaction we could create our own petroleum and therefore create more gasoline. It can be produced in something much like a nuclear power plant so that it is safe to the public, due to the flammibility of the petroleum. I don't know if it's possible. It seems reasonable to me. But that's my $0.02.

That's like saying "all we need is a catalyst and way to easily pressurize coal into diamond."

Nothing in mass production can beat the efficiency and power of an internal combustion engine…in a general sense. By "alternatives," I hope you aren't including alternative fuels that *use* internal combustion engines, such as biodiesel which has almost the same potential energy as diesel.

The only reason that we don't have anything close to the efficiency of an internal combustion engine is because we haven't been able to put the billions of man hours of research into other alternatives. It's all about potential energy. What element/molecule contains the most potential energy, is easy to refine/produce, and is renewable? Light is probably the most obvious, perhaps lightning, we just don't have a great way to capture either. Then, of course, we need something more efficient than batteries to store it. Give it time, an alternative will come from our ever-growing need to replace petroleum-based fuels.

brad u say as if alternative sources are out of the questions, i mean an idea like taking a process that takes wht, only about thousands of years…..yea that seems more reasonable then finding alternatives*…. even though internal combustion engins are more powerful then others, they also produce more carbon monoxide in to the environment, so i mean dude im not tryin to attack ur idea but rather convincing u of my theory of giving alternatives a greater chance then boycotting gas hence the ideology behind this group.

As soon as you mentioned that a combustion engine was efficient, laughed and stopped reading.

The only reason the gasoline engine is as good and efficient as it is is because it has been worked on and perfected for a hundred years. The new alternatives being thought of and made are are compreble to the first gas engine that got mabey 10 hp and worse gas milage. If we are going to switch to another source of energy one needs to be chosen and worked on, nothing will match oil until the time (and $) is put into another specific energy source.

There is an artificial manufacturing process for diamonds that are identical in property and structure to "normal" diamonds…. In fact, people occasionally make their relatives' ashes into diamonds.

Why don't we refine gas from alaska reasons: cost way less
Reasons people don't want to: hurt the animals up there

If I can recall the statistic correctly, drilling for oil in Alaska will only support the U.S. for 9 or so months, it's a very much short term solution that isn't worth exploiting.

Extended-reach horizontal wells drilled from the Endicott Satellite Island will stretch out up to 7.5 miles (12 km) to tap the estimated 105 million barrels of recoverable oil reserves in Liberty.

The wells would be the longest horizontal wells ever drilled by BP, exceeding those at its Wytch Farm field in Britain.

1. What about the wildlife?
2. How long would such a supply of oil last?
3. How much money would we actually save?

Yeah, sounds great… except for the fact that the US consumes about 20 million barrels of oil per day.